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« on: September 22, 2009, 06:05:04 AM »

Part Six:  Coming Home

71.  A state of conflict

72.  The feast of all saints

73.  One ewe lamb returns to the fold

74. Twenty-twenty

75.  Sic transit gloria mundi

76.  By the wind grieved

77.  Memorarae

78.  Old debts

79.  The cave

80.  Oenomancy

81.  Purgatory II

82.  Dispositions

83.  Counting Sheep

84.  The right of it

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 05:46:26 PM »

Well, if Claire isn’t going to operate on Henry, I guess Denny is the next best thing.  And how about that look passing between William and Dottie?  I’m right, aren’t I.  Denny and Dottie.

Soooo, the enigmatic Percy shows up in Edinburgh.  His interest in finding Fergus has little to do with family feeling, and everything to do with Fergus using his inheritance to help the rebels.  

When Percy revealed the family name to be Rakoczy, it seemed familiar to me, so I looked it up.  Here’s what I found on Wiki.  

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The mysterious Count of St. Germain is believed by some to have been the son of Prince Francis (Ferenc) II Rákóczi.

A book titled The Great Secret, Count St. Germain, by Dr. Raymond Bernard purports that St. Germain was actually Francis Bacon by birth, and later authored the complete Plays attributed to Shakespeare. He also contends, as does the Saint Germain Foundation in Chicago, IL., that Francis Bacon was the child of Queen Elizabeth and Lord Dudley but that it was kept quiet. According to the theory, Francis was raised by the Bacon family. Yet, throughout the Shakespearean canon, there are numerous hints that the author knows of his true birth, as revealed in the explicit clues in the text of the plays themselves, in pictures, as well as the cipher code that he employed.

All very implausible.  

I wondered before if Claire was a descendant of Fergus, considering he may really be a Beauchamp, but I don’t think he would take that name.  As he said before, he is the son of a great man.

Interesting that Ian chooses to go back to Lallybroch as a Mohawk.  It was a nice gesture to sing Simon Fraser’s death song for him.  I think being Mohawk is something that is a deep part of Ian, and even if he does marry Rachel, he may not be able to leave that part behind.  I think that’s what he’s telling his parents.

Well, I guess we know how Roger, Bree and the children walked into the 20th century.  Bree made them modern clothes.  

I think the last reaction Ian expected from his mother was that she would laugh at his Mohawk dress.  He may have a problem with who he is, but his mother sees past all that to the real Ian.  

Oh, no.  Auld Ian.  I can’t believe it.  I was so worried when I read one of the chapters was titled “Deathbed” but relieved when it turned out to be Simon Fraser.  Now I’m devastated.  Poor Jenny, poor Jamie and poor young Ian to come home, finally, only to see his father dying.  

I guess with his father’s health so poor, Young Jamie has moved back to Lallybroch to take over as its master.  

I’m a little confused about Swiftest of Lizards.  The old woman told Ian the next child would be of his spirit when he left.  He was allowed to name the boy, and tells his father he has a son.  I guess it’s more like Fergus and Jamie.  Of course, they will cross paths again.  This is, after all, DG writing these epics.

Auld Ian seems to offer some comfort to young Ian concerning Murdina Bug’s death.  Maybe Ian is coming to terms with that.  I hope so.  She may have been a sweet little old lady, but she was a wicked murderer, and would have stood by and watched Arch kill Jocasta and Duncan and whoever else he needed to eliminate to get the gold.

I knew Jamie had been mostly celibate during Claire’s absence and before he married LaHeer, but it was kind of surprising when he said it himself.  I was also surprised that Jenny gave him the chance to get out of marrying her.

Surprising also that he wanted to see LaHeer and even more surprising that Claire didn’t try to stop him.  I guess he needed closure.  He needed to find out what went wrong.  Interesting that she really didn’t understand that he didn’t love her at all when he took that beating for her at Leoch.  And I definitely don’t believe that Jenny doesn’t know who she’s sleeping with.  Jenny knows everything.

Seems that even though LaHeer has Joey, whoever he is and I’m sure we’ll find out, she is still irrational on the subject of Jamie.  Anybody surprised she tried to kill him again?

Certainly not surprised that LaHeer doesn’t want to give up the alimony from Jamie, but I think that Joan is a pretty cool character.  She’s going to be the one to straighten out her mother.

Interesting that the subject of Claire’s sexual experiences previous to Frank has just come up.  Sometimes Jamie is very naive.  

This is the first I knew that Janet and Michael were twins.  Anybody remember that being mentioned before?  

I understand that Claire had to warn Michael about the French Revolution, but I’m stunned that she told everyone the truth about being a time traveler.  

Jenny asks Claire out of desperation to help Ian.  She’s got to be thinking that Claire really is a witch and has the power to heal him.  Jenny obviously still harbors a lot of ill-will against Claire.  It’s more than just frustration that Claire can’t heal Ian when she says that Claire has no soul.

Interesting that Jamie asks that his finger be buried with Ian.  I’m guessing that this way, a part of him will always be with Ian, and a part of him will always be in Scotland.

Poor Jenny.  She’s so distraught at losing Ian, she’s taking it out on Claire.  Grasping at straws, really.

Now here comes Laheer.  Here she is, thousands of miles away from Marsali and the children, yet she thinks of them as family.  It hasn’t occurred to her that they call Claire grandmere, or she might not be asking Claire to go back to America to take care of Henri-Christian.  She doesn’t realize at all that Claire would do it without asking.  

I’m glad Claire thought to take advantage of Laheer’s ignorance.  Laheer just doesn’t understand anything outside of her own feelings.  Very self-centered.  That’s what surprised me about her feelings for Henri-Christian.  

I can’t believe Jamie and Claire are going to be separated.  Scary.

Yay, Ned Gowan is still alive.  Still being a long-winded lawyer.  

So, Laheer’s lover is a Murray.  No wonder Jenny said she didn’t know who he was.  Protecting Ian’s cousin.  

I’m a little surprised that Ian is leaving before his father dies, but it’s really for the best.  I’m beginning to see him with Rachel.  War does accelerate relationships.  This way he can accompany Claire back to America and protect her when they get there.

How wonderful that Ian and Jenny made a gravestone for Ian’s stillborn little girl with both her Indian and Scots names.  Now we know about that gravestone Bree found at Lallybroch.

Okay, here’s another shocker.  After Ian dies, Jenny wants to leave Lallybroch.  She’s never left Lallybroch.  I don’t think it’s a whim born out of grief, but she really wants to and will go.

I cried when Jamie said that Ian’s last words to him were “on your right side.”  That’s where he always stood.  Guarding Jamie’s weak side.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 05:50:08 PM »

I'm going to start typing up my notes for Part 7.  I hope to post them tonight, but there are a lot of them. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 03:50:55 PM »

I never thought that Jamie and Claire would actually make it back to Lallybroch. I am glad that they did. I think Jamie needed it as much as Jenny and Ian needed him. Jenny is definitely showing her MacKenzie side in holding a grudge against Claire. Even if Claire could have helped Ian, Jennie still would not have forgiven her.

Percy showing up in Edinburgh was an interesting development. He has to have some financial interest in getting Fergus to inherit. There is no way Percy would do anything unless it would benefit him.

Ian will never get away from being Mohawk. It went a long way to healing him seeing the stone for his daughter at Lallybroch. I hope he can get back to Philadelphia for Rachel. I prefer him with Rachel that William. I like William, but Ian needs the healing and love.

Does anyone else still distrust Buck? I know he is confused about going through the stones, but he is still the same person he was in the 18th century when he tried to kill Roger. But, I am also very leary about Rob Cameron. There is something not right there.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 04:04:19 PM »

I never thought that Jamie and Claire would actually make it back to Lallybroch. I am glad that they did. I think Jamie needed it as much as Jenny and Ian needed him. Jenny is definitely showing her MacKenzie side in holding a grudge against Claire. Even if Claire could have helped Ian, Jennie still would not have forgiven her.

Well, if Jenny is going with Jamie back to America, she had better find a way to come to terms with Claire. 

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Percy showing up in Edinburgh was an interesting development. He has to have some financial interest in getting Fergus to inherit. There is no way Percy would do anything unless it would benefit him.

Maybe sort of a finder's fee?  Yes, there has to be some financial gain for him.

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Ian will never get away from being Mohawk. It went a long way to healing him seeing the stone for his daughter at Lallybroch. I hope he can get back to Philadelphia for Rachel. I prefer him with Rachel that William. I like William, but Ian needs the healing and love.

I guess Ian was pretty much Indian even before Emily.  I think Ian is better with Rachel than William, too, but not for the same reasons.  Rachel is pretty feisty for a Quaker, and I think she's a strong match for Ian.  Ian is a man; William is not. 

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Does anyone else still distrust Buck? I know he is confused about going through the stones, but he is still the same person he was in the 18th century when he tried to kill Roger. But, I am also very leary about Rob Cameron. There is something not right there.

Don't trust Buck at all, although he has to behave himself if he wants Roger and Bree to help him get back to his family.  Trust Rob Cameron even less.  There's something slimy about that man.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2009, 02:42:48 PM »

Oh how I hate losing Ian!!  When he told Jamie he'd be at his right side..... what a tear-jerker!!!
     Maybe it's just me.... but I just don't see Young Ian leaving home before Ian dies.  He's already there along with the rest of the family and would want to be at his dad's side with them.  Going back to Rachel is important to him... but he knows she's waiting for him and caring for Rollo, so another week or two isn't going to be crucial.
     Gertie, once again you win the prize for seeing the Dottie/Dennis connection.  I wonder if Dennis knows she's coming after him.... or if she cooked this scheme up all by herself - with William's help, of course.
     I absolutely do not remember ever hearing that Janet and Michael are twins.
     Ian's shaving his head and emphasizing his Mohawk identity seemed almost too much of an "in your face" gesture and didn't ring true with me.  Young Ian has always seemed very sensitive and caring and I don't think he would have gone out of his way to make his family see how different he now is.  Obviously, he's not going to hide the tattoos on his face etc.... but to shave his head, spike up the hair, attach feathers etc seemed like he was trying to tell the family that he's part of another family now.  And, I just don't see Ian doing that.  Wear his buckskins, have the tattoos..... sure.  Because he has changed in the years he's been gone and he's proud of that.  But to risk making his family feel uncomfortable - at least until he can be around them and find out how they feel about his becoming a Mohawk - just doesn't seem like Ian to me.
     I know Jenny is stubborn.... but I'm really tired of her attitude about Claire.  To say that Claire has no soul because she's unable to save Ian's life seems too over the top.  Being upset and even angry at Claire is one thing.... to tell her she has no soul rachets it up a couple more notches.
     The whole Laoghaire and Joey thing is pretty strange.... and him a Murray.  I did like Joan a lot... and love it that she's so opposite from her mother.  Joan wants to live a selfless life and Laoghaire has to be one the most selfish people alive.  Laoghaire once again attacks Jamie..... but wants Claire to do her a favor?   I can't think that Laoghaire holds Claire in such high regard that she'd want her to even touch Henri-Christian.  So, does Laoghaire just want Claire out of Scotland again?  Laoghaire does NOTHING that doesn't benefit herself in some way......
     I absolutely cannot believe that Claire told everyone about her being a time traveler.  At this point, they have to be thinking that she's been deceiving them for so many years about so many different things that they would no longer know what to believe.  They're probably thinking it's just one more farfetched lie from Claire. She didn't tell them the truth before.... made no sense to tell them now at this point.
     Good to hear about Ned Gowan once more!!
     Jamie and Claire being separated.... I'm not liking this at all!!
     
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 03:55:36 PM »

Oh how I hate losing Ian!!  When he told Jamie he'd be at his right side..... what a tear-jerker!!!

I know everyone has to die sometime, but losing Ian was tough. 

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     Gertie, once again you win the prize for seeing the Dottie/Dennis connection.  I wonder if Dennis knows she's coming after him.... or if she cooked this scheme up all by herself - with William's help, of course.

She seems to be a very determined young woman, and I can't see her taking a chance that Denny would skedaddle to avoid her.

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     Ian's shaving his head and emphasizing his Mohawk identity seemed almost too much of an "in your face" gesture and didn't ring true with me.  Young Ian has always seemed very sensitive and caring and I don't think he would have gone out of his way to make his family see how different he now is.  Obviously, he's not going to hide the tattoos on his face etc.... but to shave his head, spike up the hair, attach feathers etc seemed like he was trying to tell the family that he's part of another family now.  And, I just don't see Ian doing that.  Wear his buckskins, have the tattoos..... sure.  Because he has changed in the years he's been gone and he's proud of that.  But to risk making his family feel uncomfortable - at least until he can be around them and find out how they feel about his becoming a Mohawk - just doesn't seem like Ian to me.

Which is why Jenny laughed at him.  "Who are you trying to kid, boy!!"  Even Jamie told him ahead of time that his family would still know it was him.  I think it was the best thing for him that his mother laughed.  If he's going back for Rachel, he needs to recivilize himself somewhat, and Jenny is the one to help him regain his identity.  I don't think Ian will ever completely give up his Mohawk ways because, in essence, he's grown up among the Indians, but he needs to remember his roots, too.

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     I know Jenny is stubborn.... but I'm really tired of her attitude about Claire.  To say that Claire has no soul because she's unable to save Ian's life seems too over the top.  Being upset and even angry at Claire is one thing.... to tell her she has no soul rachets it up a couple more notches.

Well, she finally forgave Jamie for losing Ian.  She needs to remember what she said in that letter. 

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     The whole Laoghaire and Joey thing is pretty strange.... and him a Murray.  I did like Joan a lot... and love it that she's so opposite from her mother.  Joan wants to live a selfless life and Laoghaire has to be one the most selfish people alive.  Laoghaire once again attacks Jamie..... but wants Claire to do her a favor?   I can't think that Laoghaire holds Claire in such high regard that she'd want her to even touch Henri-Christian.  So, does Laoghaire just want Claire out of Scotland again?  Laoghaire does NOTHING that doesn't benefit herself in some way......

I thought it was pretty strange, too.  And now we know why Jenny pretended not to know who the man was.  I had to give Joan big kudos for how she handled a situation that was very difficult for her. 

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     I absolutely cannot believe that Claire told everyone about her being a time traveler.  At this point, they have to be thinking that she's been deceiving them for so many years about so many different things that they would no longer know what to believe.  They're probably thinking it's just one more farfetched lie from Claire. She didn't tell them the truth before.... made no sense to tell them now at this point.

Hopefully, even if Michael doesn't believe her, he'll remember what she said and see the handwriting on the wall in time.

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     Good to hear about Ned Gowan once more!!

I always love seeing Ned.

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     Jamie and Claire being separated.... I'm not liking this at all!!   

Pretty scary. 

So now you're into Part Seven.  All I can say is hold onto your hat.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 01:00:24 PM »

Well. I still don't like Jenny Murray!

Couple of things I am confused about...

- Jamie is still paying Laheer. But didn't he write to Ned a few books ago, demanding he find out if she was living with someone & so to end the contract?
- Ian tells Claire "“Ye’d never said anything about wanting to write a book before, Auntie,” - but didn't she write a mini book already around the time of the Gathering?
(Although I am glad to see that she's writing a bigger one)

also a bit earlier, Claire told Bree in a letter "I’m not sure when or where I’ll be able to dispatch this letter via one or more of Jamie’s several routes (we copy each letter, if there’s time, and send multiple copies, since even normal correspondence is chancy these days). With luck, it will go with us to Edinburgh."
- where on earth where they sending them too?

Poor Ian the Elder. And what on earth will Jenny be like now?  I hope she's not planning to join Jamie sailing back to America. If she does, Jamie had better set her straight about Claire.
Yes, surprised Claire told them about the time traveling after all those years. I wanted her to tell them the first time she came back but it seemed odd now. 

Definitely agree about Denny & Dottie. Poor William, in love with Rachel too. And I saw that as a better fit than Ian & Rachel, but what do I know?

I don't trust Percy. And wasn't he trying to arrange some deal with Lord John in the beginning, for France to help England? Now he telling Claire that Fregus' fortune will help the Continentals?  Hmmm, so who is he trying to help?
Fergus would be a St. Germain, not a Beauchamp, wouldn't he? I am assuming, if any relation, it would be to the Baron & his wife, who pass the name down. Hmmmmm.
And Fergus' son would be Germain St Germain haha.

I can accept certain coincidences - Denny / Dottie, even. But that Fergus' father could be the Comte is a bit much. But maybe this will bring Raymond back in.

Claire's going back for Marsali in Phila, so maybe she'll meet LJ & operate on Henry too and save the day.

Oh, good call Gertie. Buccie is back.




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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 01:01:55 PM »

Oh I liked that Ian went full Mohawk for his arrival. I think he was testing Jenny's acceptance of him - that if she could accept that extreme change, she'd accept all the smaller ones about him too.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 01:29:37 PM »

Buccie - what was he thinking about when he tried to go back through the stones? He couldn't get back & he wasn't believable when he said he was thinking about Morag.
It reminded me of Roger's first try - getting zapped because he thought about his Dad and couldn't travel within his own lifetime. Oh maybe it's not so suspicious - Buccleigh could have been thinking of a time in his earlier life, I suppose.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 01:47:07 PM »

Couple of things I am confused about...

- Jamie is still paying Laheer. But didn't he write to Ned a few books ago, demanding he find out if she was living with someone & so to end the contract?

Yes, he did.  But who would suspect a crippled hired man? 

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- Ian tells Claire "“Ye’d never said anything about wanting to write a book before, Auntie,” - but didn't she write a mini book already around the time of the Gathering?
(Although I am glad to see that she's writing a bigger one)

I don't remember that.  She kept a case book.

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also a bit earlier, Claire told Bree in a letter "I’m not sure when or where I’ll be able to dispatch this letter via one or more of Jamie’s several routes (we copy each letter, if there’s time, and send multiple copies, since even normal correspondence is chancy these days). With luck, it will go with us to Edinburgh."

- where on earth where they sending them too?

Good question.  Jamie has contacts all over the place and so does LJ.  Anybody have any thoughts.

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Poor Ian the Elder. And what on earth will Jenny be like now?  I hope she's not planning to join Jamie sailing back to America. If she does, Jamie had better set her straight about Claire.


Jenny should have caught on by now that Jamie will choose Claire first every time. 

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Definitely agree about Denny & Dottie. Poor William, in love with Rachel too. And I saw that as a better fit than Ian & Rachel, but what do I know?

I think William feels a great deal of affection for Rachel, but I really don't think he's in love with her.  Rachel is strong enough for Ian, but I feel she's too strong for William.  Also, she's an American and on the American side.  I don't think William would switch sides for her and she wouldn't switch sides for William. 

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I don't trust Percy. And wasn't he trying to arrange some deal with Lord John in the beginning, for France to help England? Now he telling Claire that Fregus' fortune will help the Continentals?  Hmmm, so who is he trying to help?

Percy's a slime and he's looking to benefit himself in some way. 

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Fergus would be a St. Germain, not a Beauchamp, wouldn't he? I am assuming, if any relation, it would be to the Baron & his wife, who pass the name down. Hmmmmm.
And Fergus' son would be Germain St Germain haha.

Actually, Fergus would be a Racozky.  St. Germain is the title; not the family name.  Either way, it's not Beauchamp.  But I bet DG comes up with some convoluted explanation and Fergus ends up being Claire's ancestor. 

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I can accept certain coincidences - Denny / Dottie, even. But that Fergus' father could be the Comte is a bit much. But maybe this will bring Raymond back in.

DG has been piling on the coincidences since Voyager. 

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Claire's going back for Marsali in Phila, so maybe she'll meet LJ & operate on Henry too and save the day.

Has to be.  Who else could do it but Claire, and LJ will have to be very grateful. 

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Oh, good call Gertie. Buccie is back.

Do you think anything has changed with him?

Buccie - what was he thinking about when he tried to go back through the stones? He couldn't get back & he wasn't believable when he said he was thinking about Morag.
It reminded me of Roger's first try - getting zapped because he thought about his Dad and couldn't travel within his own lifetime. Oh maybe it's not so suspicious - Buccleigh could have been thinking of a time in his earlier life, I suppose.

He couldn't go back to a time where he already existed.  He would have to go back a time after he went through the stones the first time. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2009, 04:19:40 PM »

What possessed Ian to make himself up like a Mohawk.  Did he feel he needed to show his family how he’s changed?  

The marriage between Jamie and Longhaire should never have been.  He admits his heart was dead and he had no love to give.  She knew that he didn’t love her or need her, but she was willing to go through with the marriage because she needed a meal ticket.  Now she’d rather live in sin than marry the man she does love, because she doesn’t want to lose Jamie’s support.  She’s really selfish, and Jamie isn’t even angry, he’s willing to make an adjustment to the alimony agreement.  He still thinks he needs to take care of the whole world.  I really don’t agree with his obligation to Longhaire in the first place.  Jamie was technically still married to Claire, making his union with Longhaire invalid.  They didn’t have children together, so I don’t see that he owes her anything.  He not only gives her maintenance, but provides dowries for the girls.  

The scene between Jamie and Ian was very moving.  He’ll always be on his right.  They were really more like brothers.  But, Jennie is really a b….!  She doesn’t like Claire and really thinks that she could help Ian but chooses not to.

I could hardly believe that Longhaire comes to Claire to beg her to go to America to help Henri-Christian.  You’d think it was a four hour bus ride.  The fringe benefit being that they nullify any obligation Jamie has to Longhaire.  Longhaire can now marry and Joan can go into the convent.  She’s a good daughter, leaving the majority of her dowry so that Longhaire can stay at Balriggan.  


How touching that Jenny laid a stone for Ian’s baby daughter.  Now there’s a place where they can go to remember her.  
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 02:52:26 PM »

I've convinced myself that Claire already wrote a small book LOL - I even remember a doctor saying he thought it was good. I wonder if I dreamed that?
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 04:22:34 PM »

The scene between Jamie and Ian was very moving.  He’ll always be on his right.  They were really more like brothers.  But, Jennie is really a b….!  She doesn’t like Claire and really thinks that she could help Ian but chooses not to.

On his right ... guarding his weak side.   Cry Cry Cry

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How touching that Jenny laid a stone for Ian’s baby daughter.  Now there’s a place where they can go to remember her.  

Jenny does have a strong sense of family.  I wonder how she gets along with her daughters-in-law and sons-in-law. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 09:59:38 PM »

Echo Part 6

I finished the book a couple of days ago.  These are some notes I wrote down while reading this section.

John:
I’m liking John a bit more in this part; maybe because there isn’t much of him.  I loved his reunion with William.  DG has a great way of keeping these kinds of things simple.  It fit right in with the way Claire walked into the print shop and how Bree walked up to Jamie the 1st time.

So Denny is going to be the one to operate on Henry.  Claire must come into it at some point though because John has a way for her to make ether.  We’ll soon see if it’s Denny and Dottie sitting in a tree or not.

Fergus:
I’m unclear on the relationship between Fergus and Percy.  Is Fergus a Beauchamp or not? If he is, is he related to Claire?   I think it would be great if grandmere was really great to the X times granddaughter.

Bree and Roger:
Dear Bree, et al--

READ FASTER!

Not a lot of love right now
Brenda

Dear Jamie,
Stop breaking Bree’s heart.
“It’s the feast of All Saints, pray for me”
You are a good man – accept it and keep doing what you are doing

bs

I don’t know what to make of Buccleigh.  He isn’t being completely honest with Bree and Roger.  And Rob Cameron seems to show up around him.  Is he somebody who needs help and is actually a nice person or is he a true son of Gellie and Dougal?  Are he and Rob planning something?  So Buccleigh is a lawyer, I wonder how that will be important.

Jamie and Claire:
DG is doing a good job of aging them.  I’m liking it especially since Claire is so vain.

Jamie and Bonnie (his press)  - priceless
I had forgotten about Richard Bell.  I liked that part.  And I like that Jamie treats people like people, not loyalists and rebels.

I think that this trip home really showed Jamie that Lallybroch is not his.  He felt responsible when living in the cave and when living in Edinburgh but now, maybe, he can give it over to (not so) young Jamie and move on.

It seems like things with Laoghaire are finally settled.  There was unfinished business which has now at least been talked about.  Laoghaire never did understand Jamie and Jamie never understood her.  It was a terrible match – bad Jenny

I like Joan.  She really gets her mother but loves her and takes care of her anyway.  Poor Marsali, she must have been desperate to reach out to her self-centered mother.  It seems like the one part of her life where Laoghaire may not be selfish is towards her daughters.  Good for Claire, for taking advantage of Laoghaire’s assumption that she wouldn’t help Henri-Christian.  Nothing she did was going to change the way people at Lallybroch feel about her anyway.

OMG Claire told them the truth.  It will take time, but if Jenny can accept what Claire told her, maybe things will heal between them.

At first I couldn’t believe that Claire was leaving (and that Ian was going with her) but she needed to leave.  Too much feeling was against her at Lallybroch.  Ian’s family needed to be able to concentrate on him and they will be able to comfort Jamie.

Ian (the younger):
Ian must have been really nervous about seeing his family.  He was really in their face about how he has changed.  I liked Jenny’s reaction to him. 

Just when Jenny hits a new low (her treatment of Claire) she does just the right thing for Ian.  Ian (the elder) and Jenny really helped Ian heal.  He needed to come home and I’m glad he got time to talk to his dad. 

Lallybroch:
Jenny is such a bitch.  Yeah, she’s going through hell right now but lay off already.

So much was settled for Jamie.  He learned about his father’s death (not as bad as he had imagined even if it wasn’t quick and painless).  He got to reconnect with Ian (his brother).  We get to understand a little better about Jenny’s motivations.  Laohaire is still a self-centered little witch and now we know she isn’t very bright.  But it does explain some of her reactions

I think Jenny summed up everyone’s feelings about Claire.  No wonder they don’t trust her.

Jenny is going with Jamie!.  This should be interesting.

I’m going to miss Ian.  I really liked him from the beginning.  And he was really Claire’s only friend there.  He was also Jamie’s connection to everything when Jenny was being a bitch.
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2009, 10:33:02 PM »

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Auld Ian seems to offer some comfort to young Ian concerning Murdina Bug’s death.  Maybe Ian is coming to terms with that.  I hope so.  She may have been a sweet little old lady, but she was a wicked murderer, and would have stood by and watched Arch kill Jocasta and Duncan and whoever else he needed to eliminate to get the gold.
Something everybody in this book seems to forget is that Murdina Bug was shooting at Jamie.  She was not being a sweet little old lady when she was killed.
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I knew Jamie had been mostly celibate during Claire’s absence and before he married LaHeer, but it was kind of surprising when he said it himself.  I was also surprised that Jenny gave him the chance to get out of marrying her.
Jamie would not have married LaHeer if he didn’t want to.  He said something in an earlier book about how hard it was in prison to be so physically and emotionally alone.  He didn’t think Claire was coming back and he needed someone.  I think that’s why he married LaHeer, not because Jenny made him do it.
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This is the first I knew that Janet and Michael were twins.  Anybody remember that being mentioned before?
 
I didn’t remember it either but I went back to Voyager and looked it up.  At about location 4000, it is mentioned that Michael and Janet are twins.   
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I cried when Jamie said that Ian’s last words to him were “on your right side.”  That’s where he always stood.  Guarding Jamie’s weak side
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I know Jenny is stubborn.... but I'm really tired of her attitude about Claire.  To say that Claire has no soul because she's unable to save Ian's life seems too over the top.  Being upset and even angry at Claire is one thing.... to tell her she has no soul rachets it up a couple more notches.
That put me over the top with Jenny.  For me it cancelled out all the right things she did with Ian.
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Oh I liked that Ian went full Mohawk for his arrival. I think he was testing Jenny's acceptance of him - that if she could accept that extreme change, she'd accept all the smaller ones about him too.
In thinking about it, it was a very Ian thing to do.  He isn’t much with words.  He lets his actions speak for him.
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Jenny does have a strong sense of family.  I wonder how she gets along with her daughters-in-law and sons-in-law.
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Good question.  They probably get along great as long as they do everything the way Jenny wants it done.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 09:32:29 AM »

Fergus:
I’m unclear on the relationship between Fergus and Percy.  Is Fergus a Beauchamp or not? If he is, is he related to Claire?   I think it would be great if grandmere was really great to the X times granddaughter.

I think that's going to be important in a future book.  It's not like DG would forget Claire's maiden name, so we won't have a "Mark Evans" fiasco like we did in the Potter books. 

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I don’t know what to make of Buccleigh.  He isn’t being completely honest with Bree and Roger.  And Rob Cameron seems to show up around him.  Is he somebody who needs help and is actually a nice person or is he a true son of Gellie and Dougal?  Are he and Rob planning something?  So Buccleigh is a lawyer, I wonder how that will be important.

I didn't notice that Buck and Rob were showing up together.  I've been worried about Buck, but now I'm reallyworried.  His being a lawyer has to play into it somehow.  It's got to be more than just failing at everything he tried because he's just not a manual laborer. 

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I think that this trip home really showed Jamie that Lallybroch is not his.  He felt responsible when living in the cave and when living in Edinburgh but now, maybe, he can give it over to (not so) young Jamie and move on.

Yes, I think so.  It's the younger generation's turn and there is nothing left for Jamie there. <sniff>

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I like Joan.  She really gets her mother but loves her and takes care of her anyway.  Poor Marsali, she must have been desperate to reach out to her self-centered mother.  It seems like the one part of her life where Laoghaire may not be selfish is towards her daughters.  Good for Claire, for taking advantage of Laoghaire’s assumption that she wouldn’t help Henri-Christian.  Nothing she did was going to change the way people at Lallybroch feel about her anyway.

Yes, Joan turned out to be quite the character.  This is the first we've heard of her since Jamie and Claire went off to find young Ian. 

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At first I couldn’t believe that Claire was leaving (and that Ian was going with her) but she needed to leave.  Too much feeling was against her at Lallybroch.  Ian’s family needed to be able to concentrate on him and they will be able to comfort Jamie.

You know that Jamie and Claire being separated can't be a good thing. 

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Ian (the younger):
Ian must have been really nervous about seeing his family.  He was really in their face about how he has changed.  I liked Jenny’s reaction to him. 


I think I laughed as hard as Jenny did.  That time, the baby's grave and what she did for young Ian, and how she greeted Claire when she saw her again were the only times I liked Jenny in this book. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 09:36:36 AM »

Something everybody in this book seems to forget is that Murdina Bug was shooting at Jamie.  She was not being a sweet little old lady when she was killed.

Exactly.  Murdina and Arch aren't exactly Ma and Pa Kettle. 

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Jamie would not have married LaHeer if he didn’t want to.  He said something in an earlier book about how hard it was in prison to be so physically and emotionally alone.  He didn’t think Claire was coming back and he needed someone.  I think that’s why he married LaHeer, not because Jenny made him do it. 


Yes, and Jamie thought they needed him.  It was obvious that nobody at Lallybroch needed him. 

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I didn’t remember it either but I went back to Voyager and looked it up.  At about location 4000, it is mentioned that Michael and Janet are twins. 
 

Thanks.  I didn't remember that at all. 

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In thinking about it, it was a very Ian thing to do.  He isn’t much with words.  He lets his actions speak for him.  Grin

Yes, and it does get him into trouble a lot.   Cheesy

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