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Fishing’s Greatest Misadventures presents twenty-six true stories which cover the spectrum from terrifying to comical to downright bizarre. In these pages everyday fishermen, pros, and journalists tell their stories of freak accidents, fishy attacks, pranks, idiotic decisions, eerie or unexplained incidents, and other jaw dropping, adrenalin-pumping calamities. The stories bring to life the strange possibilities that await us once we cast our lines into known and unknown waters.

Here are some of the characters you'll meet inside these pages:

* A sport fisherman who gets taken on harrowing underwater ride by an angry white shark.
* An adventure angler whose boat is over turned by a 200 lb Amazon-river catfish.
* A group of ice fishermen who lose their cabin, gear and pride to a single pike.
* A teenager who sabotages a fish farm and frees 300,000 salmon.
* A charter boat operator who gets speared thro...
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« on: March 01, 2010, 09:02:41 AM »

Do we're back in China (and shall remain there, BTW).

Part VII - Taking Instruction

Chapter One: With an Eye Toward Business

1 - Isn't it nice to be back with Mrs. K'ao? How is Sydney developing? and why did he come to Ch'em house?

2 - Yu K'ang (as opposed to Yukon) has a dim echo of another Jade Owl villain. Who?

3 - How is Canto becoming a more complex character?

Chapter Two: Sisters of Circumstance

1 - What little otherwise inconsequential plot point turns this chapter.

2 - Why are Simone and Rose sisters of circumstance here?

3 - How can Nick be sure that Tadzio is alive?

Chapter Three: Ch't-t'ang Again

1 - The ch'i-t'ang reunion is like walking on cracked eggs. Why?

2 - Canto and Simone become more integral to the doings, but are they ch'i-t'ang.

Chapter Four: Echoes

Surprise! One of the most important chapters in all five books, did it surprise you?

1 - What does this temporal breach allow the sotry-teller to do?

2 - Did you need to rewind to The Third Peregrination to fill in . . . the balnks?

Chapter Five: Rose's Secret

1 - The Lady of Silk has a surprising tale. How many time periods does it trespass?

2 - Why wouldn't Rose recognize Tadzio during her stay at Yu-shui-ch'ien?

Chapter Six: Double Vision

1 - What does the chapter title refer to?

2 - What is the ultimate quest that the ch'i-t'ang decide upon?

Chapter Seven: Cajoling the Weak of Mind

(Another one of my favorites - enjoyed writing this one).

1 - Yu K'ang works for a fat-cat? What is a fat-cat in this case?

2 - The show of ch'i-tang strength and power is daunting. besides the constables, who is stuprised by it?

BTW: Gou P'i (the fat-cat) has a particularly bad name in Chinese. The name means pig-farts and is the Chinese equivolent to bull-[crap] in coarse conversation.

Chapter Eight: Before the Light

1 - There seems to be conflict between two characters here. Which ones and what is the greater conflicting issue? What seems to be the root of conflict and how does it or could it change the "plot" of the previous book?

Chapter Nine: Reflections & Chapter Ten: Triads

1 - These are extremely important chapters to consume - and complex, because it deals with tircky philosophical issues and a bunch of things that contradicts the previous warrants. So, in that light, what are Triads? To help, we have the world egg, the red stone, and the Jade Owl (or The Dark Warrior, the Black Killer and the Great Marshal), plus we have the Myrabalenes. So think in threes, if you please.  Grin

2 -What are your impressions of Liu Pang.

Now you know why I called this section Taking Instruction, as more than the ch'i-t'ang has undergone the course. Now that that's over, let the action begin again as you go to  . . .Wei-tang.

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 09:00:07 AM »

Part VII - Taking Instruction

Chapter One: With an Eye Toward Business

1 - Isn't it nice to be back with Mrs. K'ao? How is Sydney developing? and why did he come to Ch'em house?
  Yes it is.  Sydney is becoming more gutsy.  I thought he went there because it was a safe place to lay low.

2 - Yu K'ang (as opposed to Yukon) has a dim echo of another Jade Owl villain. Who?  Ping Hu.  Especially with jumping the gun on the gun.

3 - How is Canto becoming a more complex character?  Well, he’s certainly put some fear into Yu K’ang.  He’s more than just a drunk.  He’s an angry drunk who doesn’t like people who boss around other people.

Chapter Two: Sisters of Circumstance

1 - What little otherwise inconsequential plot point turns this chapter.
  Well, when they traveled through the portal in the last book, they traveled from the cave in China to the museum in San Francisco.  Therefore, their passports were never stamped and it looks like they never left China in the first place.  By the way, I’m having a tough time with recall.  How did they get their passports back?  I mean, they would have been left in China.  Did someone send them back and I’m just not remembering?

2 - Why are Simone and Rose sisters of circumstance here?  They are both missing their sons.

3 - How can Nick be sure that Tadzio is alive?  I assume he can still “touch” him.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 09:20:42 AM »

Nice place to lay low, but more importnat - Sydney is now family as he married Ch'en Mei-lin.

Yu K'ang is a bit like Ping Hu, but also has a touch of Bao Ben-ch'u.

Canto is a fun character for me, because he is many facetted, and as a drunk and a bit boorish, he brings us down to earth - something that this entire part does steaily. You'll note, from here on it, we are very close to ground level China, and the characters are also grinding down to their rawness.

The passport business is a plot rouse to get bradley back on the scene. It also allows me to show a different type of constable (one that's not evil or crooked). As for your question on the logic of the passports, you're right, they would have lost the orginals when they came through the portal, but I didn;t hang a lantern on that point.

Nick and Tadzio still have the touch, a very important point - and not only in this book, but in the next.

Rose and Simone share the same maternal instincts, however it's an ironic set of instincts, considering that Rose has never been the motherly type and Tadzio is her step-son, and Simone is a man. It's a redefining moment and a big leap forward on the character development arc for both characters.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 09:39:57 AM »

nick and Tadzio still have the touch, a very important point - and not only in this book, but in the next.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 11:38:33 AM »

Chapter Three: Ch't-t'ang Again

1 - The ch'i-t'ang reunion is like walking on cracked eggs. Why?
  I don’t think any of them, with maybe the exception of Nick, are happy to be there at this point, but they’ve been forced into it.

2 - Canto and Simone become more integral to the doings, but are they ch'i-t'ang.  I’m not really sure.  I know they’re now bonded to the group in a different way because of the ritual with the staff, but beyond that and into the realm of ch’i-t’ang, not sure.

Chapter Four: Echoes

Surprise! One of the most important chapters in all five books, did it surprise you?
  Wow!

1 - What does this temporal breach allow the sotry-teller to do?  Catch us up somewhat with Tadzio and Silky.  Not sure what else you’re looking for here.  I mean I guess we know now that Rose is in two times at once?  Well, sort of but not really.  But then if she saw this scene in the past while she was trapped there, why didn’t she recognize the feathers and claw?  And Han Lin is cultivating dragons, which means that he must somehow have the eggs.

2 - Did you need to rewind to The Third Peregrination to fill in . . . the balnks? I guess not, because I didn’t have any blanks.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 12:00:55 PM »

Heh, I got my answer in the next chapter.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 12:05:16 PM »

Yep, the answer is there. I had a lot of fun with these 2 chapters.

The definition of a ch'i-t'ang is very definite, but won't tell you, because it will ruin . . . The Academician and the Nan Tu for you.

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 12:36:41 PM »

Chapter Five: Rose's Secret

1 - The Lady of Silk has a surprising tale. How many time periods does it trespass?
  Heck, I don’t know, my brain is turned all inside out.  She talks about the present time, seeing the claw.  She talks about going to the village.  Two?  I don’t know, time has me all befuddled.

2 - Why wouldn't Rose recognize Tadzio during her stay at Yu-shui-ch'ien?  Because she hadn’t met him yet.

Chapter Six: Double Vision

1 - What does the chapter title refer to?
  The two Ch’ens.  But I think it could refer to other things as well.  I think it could also refer to the vision that Rose and Nick both experienced, but from separate places…Rose from the bluff and Nick through Tadzio’s eyes.

2 - What is the ultimate quest that the ch'i-t'ang decide upon? To stop Niu-wa (I know that isn’t spelled right) from (I assume) destroying the world.

Chapter Seven: Cajoling the Weak of Mind

(Another one of my favorites - enjoyed writing this one).

1 - Yu K'ang works for a fat-cat? What is a fat-cat in this case?
  A government official trying to take the land of the Ch’en family illegally.

2 - The show of ch'i-tang strength and power is daunting. besides the constables, who is stuprised by it?  Canto.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 01:24:09 PM »

As usually DNAGirl, you're right on track. Te time periods are 1. Rose coming from before he marraige and prior to her bannerfication 2- Tadzio and Silky coming after that fact, arriving 3 - before Rose and the ch'i-t'ang in Yu0shui-ch;ien 4 - Nick viewing the scene from the current when. The fact that we present the fact that the temporal rift can have 4 different time periods operating simultaneously obliterates the definition of time as we know it (and for this story, that's a good thing). Stephen King once said about his worlds in The Dark Tower - "Time is funny here." Now you know why I had fun. It was like looing into a fun house mirror.

The actual quest that they all agree upon is saving Tadzio and Silky, although that's good enough to keep them all on that other quest . . . you know, saving the world. You spelled the Mother Earth Goddess' name correctly.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 01:34:36 PM »

Ed, I got the feeling that while Simone and Rose wanted to make finding Tadzio and Silky the primary reason for the quest, but Meng wasn't so thrilled with that and wanted the stoppage of Niu-wa to be the primary thing to worry about.  And Nick...well I know he loves Silky, but I didn't quite get the feeling that he was the primary quest for him either.  Am I wrong about that?
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 03:29:13 PM »

You're right, but the saving of the boyz makes for a more immediate driver to move them forward. I think the men would make a muddle of it. With Rose and Simone and the motherhood drivng the initiative, there's no doubt that something's going to be resolved.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 05:40:20 PM »

Chapter Eight: Before the Light

1 - There seems to be conflict between two characters here. Which ones and what is the greater conflicting issue? What seems to be the root of conflict and how does it or could it change the "plot" of the previous book?
  Liu Pang and Meng?  Liu Pang seems to take issue with the way Meng is using the artifacts.  Maybe ancient practices vs. modern?  I don’t really know.

Chapter Nine: Reflections & Chapter Ten: Triads

1 - These are extremely important chapters to consume - and complex, because it deals with tircky philosophical issues and a bunch of things that contradicts the previous warrants. So, in that light, what are Triads? To help, we have the world egg, the red stone, and the Jade Owl (or The Dark Warrior, the Black Killer and the Great Marshal), plus we have the Myrabalenes. So think in threes, if you please.   
  I’m not getting this.  It seems to be two things that can be united protected by something else, but somehow I think it’s more than that.  I'm kind of lost.

2 -What are your impressions of Liu Pang.  Tough guy and very wise.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 06:46:28 PM »

Lost by my question or by what's going on in the instruction? The question is convoluted. I didn't understand it myself after reading it. The main thing is that you don;t get lost in the story.

The conflict is basic to China - Taoism (liu Pang) vs. Buddhism (Meng Ka-bao).

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 03:50:17 AM »

I'm lost as to what Triads are.  I think I'm not lost in the story.  I think.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 04:50:44 AM »

Triads (especially in Chinese religion and philosphy) are THREE things that go together - a bit like a Trinity. In the case of the story, much of it comes in threes - triangulation, it takes 3 relics to make the relics glow etc. A typical Triad are sometimes three gods in a hierarchy and, n the story, the three sacred fruits of the Buddha - the Myrabalens.

During Chinese History many secret societies were formed around triads and thus called The Triads. Some Chinatown gangs in the 19th and 2th century (and even the Homg Kong gangs today), called t;ang (or tong, which ch'i-t'ang is relevant) have been referred to a Triad Societies.

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 06:30:23 AM »

Hm, for some reason I thought you were looking for something deeper than groups of three things.  I'm thinking way too much!

I know about the gangs called Triads.  I had to fight them in Grand Theft Auto III.   Grin
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 06:49:14 AM »

Now you know where they come from.  Grin

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Chapter One: With an Eye Toward Business

1 - Isn't it nice to be back with Mrs. K'ao? How is Sydney developing? and why did he come to Ch'em house?
I do like Mrs. K'ao. . . .didn't notice anything particular about Sydney
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2 - Yu K'ang (as opposed to Yukon) has a dim echo of another Jade Owl villain. Who?
the nasty one who's name I've forgotten who abused Nick in the Old Sheep. . . .
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3 - How is Canto becoming a more complex character?
well, at this point he's a drunk. . . .but I guess what he's seen would drive anyone to drink. . . .I expect he'll come into his own before long.
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Chapter Two: Sisters of Circumstance

1 - What little otherwise inconsequential plot point turns this chapter.
.  . . . .well, there's the mention of the fact that they actually never officially left China last time they were there. . . .
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2 - Why are Simone and Rose sisters of circumstance here?
well, duh. . .they both have missing children. . . . . Cheesy
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3 - How can Nick be sure that Tadzio is alive?
  He can be with him. . .and when he did the super glimmer the guy from the past saw that he could possess him. . . .
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Chapter Three: Ch't-t'ang Again

1 - The ch'i-t'ang reunion is like walking on cracked eggs. Why?
  I think at this point they don't quite know what they have to do. . . .beyond getting the boys back. . . .but that may not even be the most important thing in the grand scheme of things
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2 - Canto and Simone become more integral to the doings, but are they ch'i-t'ang.
technically not, but because of Canto's expertise and Simon's connection to Nick I expect they'll be vital. . . .besides, I've figured out that you don't tend to have 'red shirts' Cheesy
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Chapter Four: Echoes

Surprise! One of the most important chapters in all five books, did it surprise you?

1 - What does this temporal breach allow the sotry-teller to do?
this is where Nick possessess Tadzio in the past. . . . it gives assurance that the boys are o.k. . . . .though one wonders at their mental state. . . . .and also how long they've been dragon wranglers. Cheesy
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2 - Did you need to rewind to The Third Peregrination to fill in . . . the balnks?
  a little. . . .Rose was a flag for a long time but I gather she could still see things even though she was bound to the fabric. . . . .
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Chapter Five: Rose's Secret

1 - The Lady of Silk has a surprising tale. How many time periods does it trespass?
. . .a lot? . . . . .I mean it was several centuries, right? . . . .I couldn't figure out if she knows now that what she saw then was Silky and Tadzio. . . .
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2 - Why wouldn't Rose recognize Tadzio during her stay at Yu-shui-ch'ien?
well, she didn't know him yet when she first went. . . .but thinking it over it seems like she might have wondered after he disappeared. . . .it could be there was subconscious recognition which is why she became closer to Tadzio than Ezio. . . .
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Chapter Six: Double Vision

1 - What does the chapter title refer to?
two minister Ch'ens. . .which I forgot there were and, even now, would like a short character review. Cheesy (definitely Dickensien:  there are a hundred characters and they're all related.  Grin)
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2 - What is the ultimate quest that the ch'i-t'ang decide upon?
I guess to undo whatever's been done. . . .which I haven't figured out yet what that is. . . .
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Chapter Seven: Cajoling the Weak of Mind

(Another one of my favorites - enjoyed writing this one).

1 - Yu K'ang works for a fat-cat? What is a fat-cat in this case?
well, in communism, it's "to each according to his need" but a fat cat gets way more than he needs, hence he's fat.  Also corrupt and, unfortunately, powerful.
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2 - The show of ch'i-tang strength and power is daunting. besides the constables, who is stuprised by it?
canto. . .and probably the Ch'en's. . .they'd sort of seen it before but not as anything more than parlor tricks. . . . it is nice to see the nasties routed Wink
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BTW: Gou P'i (the fat-cat) has a particularly bad name in Chinese. The name means pig-farts and is the Chinese equivolent to bull-sh** in coarse conversation.

Chapter Eight: Before the Light

1 - There seems to be conflict between two characters here. Which ones and what is the greater conflicting issue? What seems to be the root of conflict and how does it or could it change the "plot" of the previous book?
Well, there's a conflict between the Taoist and Buddhist way. . .Buddhist is more 'let it come, it can't really hurt me' and Taoist is more 'we must fix this or we'll all perish'.  Both are useful in their own way. . .but the trick will be figuring out when which way will work best.  Meng has eschewed the dark arts, but the Taoist monk apparently has studied them, rationalizing that one must know one's enemies.
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Chapter Nine: Reflections & Chapter Ten: Triads

1 - These are extremely important chapters to consume - and complex, because it deals with tircky philosophical issues and a bunch of things that contradicts the previous warrants. So, in that light, what are Triads? To help, we have the world egg, the red stone, and the Jade Owl (or The Dark Warrior, the Black Killer and the Great Marshal), plus we have the Myrabalenes. So think in threes, if you please.  Grin
Threes are sacred in a lot of languages. . . . .you need at least 3 legs to safely balance a chair or table, for example. . .even primitive people recognized that there was a minimum needed there for balance.  And many primitive people counted none, one, two, three, many. . .there was no need to specifically enumerate more than that.  Silky's fruit is going to be important to corral the relics and make them safe once more. . . . .
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2 -What are your impressions of Liu Pang.
  He's a bit superior. . .in that he figures the westerners really haven't a clue what they've gotten into.  Also somewhat dismissive of Meng's Buddhist characteristics.  I think he thinks they'll fail.
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Now you know why I called this section Taking Instruction, as more than the ch'i-t'ang has undergone the course. Now that that's over, let the action begin again as you go to  . . .Wei-tang.
  moving right along now. . . .easy to keep reading. . . . .
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 09:37:08 AM »

Sound like you're enjoying it, Ann. You got every major point (and I love you mini-dissertation on Triads). One layer of the sisters of circumstance that I manage to get under the radar is that Rose is not the "mother" type, and now, she is; and Simone (Mother deFleurry) - is a man. he he  Grin

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 10:54:45 AM »

Rose is not the "mother" type, and now, she is; and Simone (Mother deFleurry) - is a man. he he  Grin

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Yeah. . .see. . . .Rose is the mother type. . .she just didn't know it before. . . .and as for Simone. . . .he obviously has mothering instincts and the fact that he's not female doesn't matter at all. . . . .no disconnect in my mind. . . .how they felt made perfect sense.  They are the 'mother influences' in the respective boy's lives so what's the big deal if one is a 'step' and one is actually male?
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 05:01:14 PM »

My sentiments exactly.

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