OUTLANDER: Week of 1/5; Reading Chps 6-10, Discuss Chps 1-5 here

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

The others were as low as 3.75 and 3.99. 
debbie

That's what I paid for the next two.  Lucky me.  Do you think Amazon is watching us?   

I've always imagined her dress was a slip over your head kind - hence them thinking it was her shift.

The dress was cotton.  Cotton doesn't stretch and I can't imagine a dress from the mid-40's that would slip on. 

In the scene after Frank and Claire watch the Druids, he unbuttons her dress. 

Just a minor point and doesn't really make any difference. 

[drenee]

If they are watching us, and tracking us, they should thank all of you all you have given such great recommendations that have boosted their sales.  I know I have bought books that I normally would have passed over based soley on tips I have received from the kind members here. 
debbie

[Linda Cannon-Mott]

I got the next two while they were cheap too. Happy about that! 

[drenee]

Linda, a bit off topic here but a couple of things. 
Leisel; I'm assuming that's the name of your Kindle.  Is that from the Sound of Music?  Just curious.  I have always loved that name, and the movie, for that matter.  I played Gretel in the high school production many many years ago.  I don't think it was because I was all that talented.  I think I was the only 7th grader that could pass for a 5 year old and be beleivable.  LOL.

And I also noticed that at the point of our last post you were exactly 2,000 posts ahead of me.  I'm not even going to try to catch up. 

Have a great Monday.
debbie

[Linda Cannon-Mott]

Linda, a bit off topic here but a couple of things. 
Leisel; I'm assuming that's the name of your Kindle.  Is that from the Sound of Music?  Just curious.  I have always loved that name, and the movie, for that matter.  I played Gretel in the high school production many many years ago.  I don't think it was because I was all that talented.  I think I was the only 7th grader that could pass for a 5 year old and be beleivable.  LOL.

And I also noticed that at the point of our last post you were exactly 2,000 posts ahead of me.  I'm not even going to try to catch up. 

Have a great Monday.
debbie

Hi Debbie,
The first book I read on my Kindle was The Book Thief. I never want to forget that, it was a beautifully written, poignant story. I fell in love with each character and laughed and cried.

The main character is a young German girl by the name of Leisel. I don't want to reveal too much but she doesn't know how to read. Once she is taught to read she loves books and loves to read. She will get books by different means during this difficult time. She treasures each book.

I have to admit this wasn't my idea, I originally named her Ruby but it never felt right. Another Kindle buddy had named her Kindle after a character in her first Kindle read which was a great idea. So I have Leisel!

Back on topic, have you read Outlander before or participated in a book klub before?

Linda

[Betsy the Quilter]

I guess we've decided that Claire's dress didn't have a zipper, but about zippers in clothing--zippers were just becoming popular in the late 30s, according to the article I'm citing below, for children's and men's clothing. It's entirely possible that, due to metal being diverted to the war effort, that zippered clothing in England was not really re-introduced until well after the war.  (I love that I'm learning so many things from reading this book.)

(http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa082497.htm)

Swedish-born (who later immigrated to Canada), Gideon Sundback, an electrical engineer, was hired to work for the Universal Fastener Company. Good design skills and a marriage to the plant-manager's daughter Elvira Aronson led Sundback to the position of head designer at Universal. He was responsible for improving the far from perfect 'Judson C-curity Fastener.' Unfortunately, Sundback's wife died in 1911. The grieving husband busied himself at the design table and by December of 1913, he had designed the modern zipper.

Gideon Sundback increased the number of fastening elements from four per inch to ten or eleven, had two facing-rows of teeth that pulled into a single piece by the slider, and increased the opening for the teeth guided by the slider. The patent for the 'Separable Fastener' was issued in 1917. Sundback also created the manufacturing machine for the new zipper. The 'S-L' or scrapless machine took a special Y-shaped wire and cut scoops from it, then punched the scoop dimple and nib, and clamped each scoop on a cloth tape to produce a continuous zipper chain. Within the first year of operation, Sundback's zipper-making machinery was producing a few hundred feet of fastener per day.

View the original 1917 Sundback patent for the "Separable Fastener"

The popular 'zipper' name came from the B. F. Goodrich Company, when they decided to use Gideon's fastener on a new type of rubber boots or galoshes and renamed the device the zipper, the name that lasted. Boots and tobacco pouches with a zippered closure were the two chief uses of the zipper during its early years. It took twenty more years to convince the fashion industry to seriously promote the novel closure on garments.

In the 1930's, a sales campaign began for children's clothing featuring zippers. The campaign praised zippers for promoting self-reliance in young children by making it possible for them to dress in self-help clothing. The zipper beat the button in the 1937 in the "Battle of the Fly," when French fashion designers raved over zippers in men's trousers. Esquire magazine declared the zipper the "Newest Tailoring Idea for Men" and among the zippered fly's many virtues was that it would exclude "The Possibility of Unintentional and Embarrassing Disarray." Obviously, the new zippered trouser owners had not yet discovered the experience of forgetting to zip-up.

[bkworm8it]

Thanks Betsy!  Love learning all this stuff

Theresam

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

I guess we've decided that Claire's dress didn't have a zipper, but about zippers in clothing--zippers were just becoming popular in the late 30s, according to the article I'm citing below, for children's and men's clothing. It's entirely possible that, due to metal being diverted to the war effort, that zippered clothing in England was not really re-introduced until well after the war.  (I love that I'm learning so many things from reading this book.)

Wow, Betsy.  Great research.  You are our go-to-gal when it comes to textiles and 18th century clothing. 

Obviously, the new zippered trouser owners had not yet discovered the experience of forgetting to zip-up. 

XYZ ... or the experience of forgetting to tuck oneself (hem-hem) firmly inside the trousers before zipping up.   Ouch.
 

[Anne]

I guess we've decided that Claire's dress didn't have a zipper, but about zippers in clothing--zippers were just becoming popular in the late 30s, according to the article I'm citing below, for children's and men's clothing. It's entirely possible that, due to metal being diverted to the war effort, that zippered clothing in England was not really re-introduced until well after the war.  (I love that I'm learning so many things from reading this book.)


Wow thanks Besty for the intresting info

[Anne]

Hi Debbie,
The first book I read on my Kindle was The Book Thief. I never want to forget that, it was a beautifully written, poignant story. I fell in love with each character and laughed and cried.

The main character is a young German girl by the name of Leisel. I don't want to reveal too much but she doesn't know how to read. Once she is taught to read she loves books and loves to read. She will get books by different means during this difficult time. She treasures each book.

I have to admit this wasn't my idea, I originally named her Ruby but it never felt right. Another Kindle buddy had named her Kindle after a character in her first Kindle read which was a great idea. So I have Leisel!

Back on topic, have you read Outlander before or participated in a book klub before?

Linda

I will have to put The Book Theif on my TBR list.

[Toby]

Someone had mentioned that they liked The Book Thief. That was on my TBR list. I read The Boy in the Striped Pajamas & that was good. My nephew said that they are making a movie of that book.
Im glad someone mentioned Leisel & The Sound of Music. I too was thinking that. My father had represented the wife in a divorce of 1 of the sons, a Dr. I met her as we went to her home. She contacted polio after the marriage during the 50's, 60's when polio was rampant here, but was able to have lots of children & raise them. She was in a wheelchair. What an inspiration! Anyway, the Dr. son of the "Sound of Music" had wanted to marry his childhood sweetheart, but didn't. So after the divorce, he went back to Australia to marry her. That's all I know.
Oh, sorry I didn't mention the price increase "amount" of the Outlander books, when I had written my post. I thought of that afterwards. It was late & I was tired & upset.
I just purchased the next 2 books in the series as someone had mentioned to Maureen. See, I listen to your advice! LOL!! Dern, I could have had both books for about the price of 1. Oh well. I'm sure that they will be well worth it the price.
Interesting about the zipper thing.
About Amazon's book price increase..I just noticed a Debbie Macomber book, Twenty Wishes, that I had on my TBR list go up to about $13.00!! Give me a break!!! I saw the paperback at BJ's wholesale club a long time ago. It was not that price or that price as a Kindle book. Someone ordered the Kindle recently on my account because I said that the books were cheaper than the Sony's bookstore. I also gave the nudge to someone else. Now, I don't know if I should warn them about the price increases as I didn't know it at the time.

[imallbs]

I didn't realize they redid Dark Shadows.  I used to watch in the 60s when it was in B/W.

Wouldn't Claire's dress have had a zipper?  If she did have a zipper in that dress, I would think someone would have noticed it.  Even buttons might have been noted since dresses were mostly laced or hooked.  I think you've just pointed us to an inaccuracy or omission.

Yeah they did a remake in the early to mid 90's.  I think it was called Dark Shadows The Revival or something like that.  I really enjoyed it.  I picked it up on DVD a couple of years ago and have watched it a few times.  It is strange seeing someone besides Johnathan Frid as Barnabas.  My sister and I used to rush home from school to watch the original - nothing like being scared at 3:00 in the afternoon.

I always assumed that Claire's dress was an over the head summer dress that didn't have zipper, buttons or ties.  I also assumed that it would be hand sewn because Mrs FitzGibbons would have noticed the stitching.  But then, while reading the part about dressing Claire, I kept picturing the scene where the brilliant Victoria Winters shows people from the 1700's how a zipper works and tells them about machine washing and drying.

[imallbs]

It looks like Amazon has made all of the books in this series 6.39.  I got mine about a few weeks ago and paid 6.39 for two of them.  The others were as low as 3.75 and 3.99. 
debbie

I was afraid that would happen.  I picked up the next two in the series for $4.00 a couple of days ago.  Glad I didn't hesitate but now I'm going to have to read them.  But not until after I read On Basilisk Station.  I will meet Honor Harrington before the month is over.

[mumsicalwhimsy]

My very late entry.

I have been a surface reader... taking things as gospel and following along.
Replies have been interesting and are often what I would not come up with.
For instance, my first thoughts in my first reading revolved around whether there actually was time travel or if there was a medical issue and we are experiencing the illusions of a coma.

I am enjoying the book a great deal and appreciate the opportunity of the book klub.

[Betsy the Quilter]

That's an interesting take, mumsicalwhimsy!  Sort of what I THINK is happening on the show Life on Mars.  Plus it sort of reminds me of the idea behind the "I See Dead People" movie that I can't remember the name of right now.

Betsy

[Ann in Arlington]

That's an interesting take, mumsicalwhimsy!  Sort of what I THINK is happening on the show Life on Mars.  Plus it sort of reminds me of the idea behind the "I See Dead People" movie that I can't remember the name of right now.

Betsy

"The Sixth Sense"

(I think)

Ann

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

"The Sixth Sense"

(I think)

Ann

Yep, that's it.  I never saw the movie, but I remember the ad on TV. 

[Betsy the Quilter]

That's it!  My some-heimers kicked in and I was too lazy to google "Bruce Willis" and "dead people"

Betsy