|
Anju No. 469
|
 |
« Reply #500 on: December 05, 2009, 10:54:02 AM » |
|
SUZI - Have you found something for us to use next year? or are we going to go back with this same interpretation?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico  |
|
|
|
marianneg
|
|
« Reply #501 on: December 05, 2009, 11:32:15 AM » |
|
I agree Marianner, it's all in the interpretation and the culture, but I don't care much sometimes for the interpretations. And of course, they don't ever continue with the husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the church.
Well, that certainly wouldn't fly with me!  Don't blame Paul, though. He was actually quite the radical feminist of the day  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
mwvickers
|
|
« Reply #502 on: December 05, 2009, 09:16:41 PM » |
|
Okay, I may get stoned for this, but I'm going to give my two-cents worth. There is no getting around the idea that the Bible (specifically Paul) teaches that women are to "submit" to their husbands. This submission implies obedience as well. BUT... As stated, it also says for husbands to "love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her" (if I'm remembering right). SO... It should be a relationship of love in that the husband always keeps the wife's best interests in mind, and tries to love, honor, and protect her in every way. He is to be the clear leader of the household, but he is NOT to lord it over his wife. In other words, the husband should be sensitive to his wife's needs, likes and dislikes, etc. In this way, it should be that the husband never asks anything of his wife that she would not willingly submit to (unless, perhaps, it is something that is truly in her best interest though she doesn't particularly want to submit, though I believe those instances are rare indeed). If the above were to be practiced, I believe that wives would not at all have an issue with following Paul's command to "submit" to their husbands. Let me try to put it another way to hopefully make it clearer. Paul clearly compares the relationship of Christ to the Church with the relationship of husband and wife. Christ is analagous to the husband, and the Church is analagous to the wife. What Christian (as part of the Church) would ever get upset if someone said he or she must submit to the Lordship of Christ? None (unless they are living in rebellion against Him). Why? Because Christians trust Christ. They know He loves them, and they know that anything He asks (whether they understand or not) is out of love and is for their own good. Paul then applies this to husbands and wives. If the husband is acting in the "role" of Christ (protector, lover, sacrificer, etc.), then the wife would have no problem acting in the "role" of the Church/Christian (truster, lover, obedient, etc.). I hope I have made that a little clearer without getting myself into too much trouble. I don't think I've written anything my wife would disagree with, so I do speak from some experience. Blessings. Martin |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Suzanne
Status: Arthur Conan Doyle
 Offline
Gender: 
N. Huntingdon, PA
Posts: 835
No. 336
|
|
« Reply #503 on: December 05, 2009, 10:03:09 PM » |
|
SUZI - Have you found something for us to use next year? or are we going to go back with this same interpretation?
Let's put it this way: I have decided what I will be reading! I am unable to get the Linkmaker to work, but here is the one I chose: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0736901981/ref=s9_simp_gw_s0_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=05T8FDKR4GWPH51J8MBP&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846It is a one-year chronological bible. It is not available for Kindle. In fact, I could not find any chronological bibles available for Kindle. A bible I bought earlier this year is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Grace-Moment-Daily-Bible-ebook/dp/B000SEKTK4/ref=sr_oe_6_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260075288&sr=1-6&condition=usedIt is Max Lucado's Grace for the Moment Daily Bible. It is in the same format as the one we are currently reading - a reading from the Old Testament, one from the New Testament, Psalms & Proverbs. What is different is that each day's reading starts with a little devotional from Max. It is a very nice bible! I wanted a bit of a change and that is why I chose a chronological Bible. What the group could do is decide amongst yourselves if you want to do the one we are currently reading over again in 2010. Or maybe someone can find a bible that would appeal to the group. I thoroughly enjoyed this current bible we read this year and in a few years I will read it again. I'll start a separate thread so that we all can discuss what to read. Even though I will be reading a different bible, I will still come here daily & participate. If you all choose something else, I'll purchase it so I can participate in discussions that come up. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Suzanne
Status: Arthur Conan Doyle
Offline
Gender:
N. Huntingdon, PA
Posts: 835
No. 336
|
|
« Reply #504 on: December 05, 2009, 10:30:46 PM » |
|
Okay, I may get stoned for this, but I'm going to give my two-cents worth. There is no getting around the idea that the Bible (specifically Paul) teaches that women are to "submit" to their husbands. This submission implies obedience as well. BUT... As stated, it also says for husbands to "love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her" (if I'm remembering right). SO... It should be a relationship of love in that the husband always keeps the wife's best interests in mind, and tries to love, honor, and protect her in every way. He is to be the clear leader of the household, but he is NOT to lord it over his wife. In other words, the husband should be sensitive to his wife's needs, likes and dislikes, etc. In this way, it should be that the husband never asks anything of his wife that she would not willingly submit to (unless, perhaps, it is something that is truly in her best interest though she doesn't particularly want to submit, though I believe those instances are rare indeed). If the above were to be practiced, I believe that wives would not at all have an issue with following Paul's command to "submit" to their husbands. Let me try to put it another way to hopefully make it clearer. Paul clearly compares the relationship of Christ to the Church with the relationship of husband and wife. Christ is analagous to the husband, and the Church is analagous to the wife. What Christian (as part of the Church) would ever get upset if someone said he or she must submit to the Lordship of Christ? None (unless they are living in rebellion against Him). Why? Because Christians trust Christ. They know He loves them, and they know that anything He asks (whether they understand or not) is out of love and is for their own good. Paul then applies this to husbands and wives. If the husband is acting in the "role" of Christ (protector, lover, sacrificer, etc.), then the wife would have no problem acting in the "role" of the Church/Christian (truster, lover, obedient, etc.). I hope I have made that a little clearer without getting myself into too much trouble. I don't think I've written anything my wife would disagree with, so I do speak from some experience. Blessings. Martin Oh, Martin, quit hiding under that chair!! We are not going to stone you!!!  Actually, I am in agreement with you, Martin. The Bible does say that a woman should be in subjection to her husband, and the Bible gives the guidelines on how each party should behave. The Bible says the husband should love his wife as Christ loved his church. Well, Jesus died for his church. If a husband displays such unselfish love for his wife as Jesus displayed for us, there shouldn't be a tyrant in charge. When both partners in the marriage strive to live by Bible principles, there really shouldn't be many problems. Even living by the Golden Rule makes a marriage run smoothly. If both partners treat each other the way they want to be treated, there will be kindness shown at all times. The husband may be the head of the house, but if he lives by the Golden Rule, he's not going to adopt an attitude of "I'm the king of the castle and you all are my subjects!!" He wouldn't want someone doing that to him, and if he is truly living by the Golden Rule, he won't be doing it to others, much less than the woman he chose to spend his life with. In my family, we live by these principles. I would describe our relationship as a partnership. Tim always consults me on all matters. We make decisions together. He realizes I bring a lot to the table in way of talents that he does not have. I can honestly say that in 36 years of marriage I can count on one hand times when he wanted to go one way with a matter and I wanted to go a different way. And sometimes we did it his way. If the issue was something that I had more experience in, we decided to go my way. Actually, if we all lived by the Golden Rule, not just in marital relationships, things would run a lot smoother!  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Linda Cannon-Mott
|
|
« Reply #506 on: December 06, 2009, 06:34:51 AM » |
|
Suzi, I have used both of the Bibles you linked and both are awesome! In fact I still have them and I had planned to use Max Lucado's devotional Bible for 2010. It is such an inspiration and a wonderful study/learnng Bible.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
mwvickers
|
|
« Reply #507 on: December 06, 2009, 08:14:42 AM » |
|
Oh, Martin, quit hiding under that chair!! We are not going to stone you!!! Actually, I am in agreement with you, Martin. The Bible does say that a woman should be in subjection to her husband, and the Bible gives the guidelines on how each party should behave. The Bible says the husband should love his wife as Christ loved his church. Well, Jesus died for his church. If a husband displays such unselfish love for his wife as Jesus displayed for us, there shouldn't be a tyrant in charge. When both partners in the marriage strive to live by Bible principles, there really shouldn't be many problems. Even living by the Golden Rule makes a marriage run smoothly. If both partners treat each other the way they want to be treated, there will be kindness shown at all times. The husband may be the head of the house, but if he lives by the Golden Rule, he's not going to adopt an attitude of "I'm the king of the castle and you all are my subjects!!" He wouldn't want someone doing that to him, and if he is truly living by the Golden Rule, he won't be doing it to others, much less than the woman he chose to spend his life with. In my family, we live by these principles. I would describe our relationship as a partnership. Tim always consults me on all matters. We make decisions together. He realizes I bring a lot to the table in way of talents that he does not have. I can honestly say that in 36 years of marriage I can count on one hand times when he wanted to go one way with a matter and I wanted to go a different way. And sometimes we did it his way. If the issue was something that I had more experience in, we decided to go my way. Actually, if we all lived by the Golden Rule, not just in marital relationships, things would run a lot smoother! Suzanne, Thanks for the support and the real-life examples to back up what we were saying. Martin |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
mwvickers
|
|
« Reply #508 on: December 06, 2009, 08:15:12 AM » |
|
very nicely put Martin
Thanks, Angela. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #509 on: December 06, 2009, 08:23:58 AM » |
|
I agree Martin! Now if people would read the whole thing and not stop at women submitting it would be a much better world. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
|
mwvickers
|
|
« Reply #510 on: December 06, 2009, 09:19:27 AM » |
|
I agree Martin! Now if people would read the whole thing and not stop at women submitting it would be a much better world. Indeed!  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #511 on: December 09, 2009, 07:16:33 AM » |
|
UGH - Revelations - but will stick it out and read it!
Anyone else notice some of the similarities in the OT to what Revelations is going to tell us?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
|
kevindorsey
|
|
« Reply #512 on: December 10, 2009, 11:33:19 AM » |
|
Very interesting comments here.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
kdawnbyrd
Status: Dr. Seuss
Offline
Posts: 45
Queen of Hearts...available now
|
|
« Reply #513 on: April 08, 2010, 04:56:29 AM » |
|
I'm a newbie to the Kindle Boards and would like to join the Bible reading and discussion. What are you reading right now?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Suzanne
Status: Arthur Conan Doyle
Offline
Gender:
N. Huntingdon, PA
Posts: 835
No. 336
|
|
« Reply #514 on: April 09, 2010, 05:11:38 PM » |
|
Hi, Kdawnbyrd. Yes, there are some who are attempting to read through the Bible in one year. There are two Bibles which are being used. One is called Grace for the Moment Daily Bible. In it you have a reading every day which includes something from the Old Testament, something from the New Testament, something from Psalms and Proverbs. Here is a link to that particular Bible. http://www.kindleboards.com/index.php/topic,17522.0.htmlOthers are reading the Bible in chronological order. There are two Bibles being used for that particular one. The Bible I am using is The Chronological Study Bible, NKJV. There is a schedule and if you stick to the schedule, you will read the Bible in one year. http://www.kindleboards.com/index.php/topic,17521.0.htmlThere hasn't been much discussion in either of the threads. I am keeping up with my readings in The Chronological Study Bible and am really enjoying it and learning so much from it. Feel free to jump in and join whatever group that appeals to you. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Linda Cannon-Mott
|
|
« Reply #515 on: April 10, 2010, 10:03:50 AM » |
|
I'm a newbie to the Kindle Boards and would like to join the Bible reading and discussion. What are you reading right now?
Welcome kdawnbyrd! I am reading Max Lucado's Grace for the Moment Devotional Bible and enjoying it also. Last year we all read the One Year Bible together. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #516 on: April 10, 2010, 01:14:04 PM » |
|
I am still disturbed by everything getting killed in the wars! In a way I understand and in a way I don't, just wanted to say something!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #517 on: April 16, 2010, 07:36:19 AM » |
|
Couple of comments -
1. all these towns and villages. I have to remember that towns and villages here in Mexico are not made of thousands and thousands of people. A village may be just 3 or 4 families, a town slightly more than that, os even though it appears there are so many people involved there is a possibility that to them that's lots of people bu to us it's not.
2. Yesterday, a quote from Luke really hit me hard
"Your heart will be where your treasure is."
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #518 on: April 24, 2010, 07:20:36 AM » |
|
Seems like I am the only one commenting this year! Hope the rest of you are just being quiet and feeling good!
All these boundaries are driving me nuts! I love maps and wish I had a map of that time frame to put it all together. Maybe one day I'll look for one.
I am picking up a lot of new stuff that I missed or forgot last year, so that means next year, even with a different Bible I'll get more info!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
Suzanne
Status: Arthur Conan Doyle
Offline
Gender:
N. Huntingdon, PA
Posts: 835
No. 336
|
|
« Reply #519 on: April 24, 2010, 09:57:01 AM » |
|
Which Bible are you reading, Anju? I am reading the Chronological Study Bible, NKJV. It is really interesting. I am up to where King Solomon has just begun his reign. David is still alive and is giving Solomon instructions on building the temple. There are many little side articles in this Bible and they are fascinating.
I am recovering from double pneumonia. I am dealing with a lot of dizziness and being lightheaded a lot. Some days even the eye movement from reading makes the room swirl. So I have been limiting my "good time" to keeping up with my Bible reading.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Anju No. 469
|
|
« Reply #520 on: April 24, 2010, 01:53:19 PM » |
|
Suzi - I thought you were over that stuff a long time ago, but then it does take a long time to get over it. Take are and don't push it.
I would like to do the Chronological Bible, but since it's not yet on the kindle I am reading Grace for the Moment Daily Bible Readings.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Dona on the shores of Lake Chapala, Mexico |
|
|
|
Linda Cannon-Mott
|
|
« Reply #521 on: April 28, 2010, 09:20:13 AM » |
|
We all love you Dona and you will be missed! Heaven has gained a wonderful, sweet angel!!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dilber MC Theme by HarzeM
