Order in which Collections appear

[PG4003 (Patricia)]

OK, I've created my Collections.  They appear on my screen in the order that I created them.  Is there any way to change which order they display in?

[Steph H]

I don't have the update yet -- wahhhh! -- but I think I've read they can be sorted in 'most recently used' or another order.  Or, if you name them with an asterisk or similar symbol first -- like *Romance, *History, etc. -- then they'll always essentially stay in alphabetical order at the top of your home page if you order things alphabetically.

But I could be talking cluelessly here since I don't have it to play with yet....I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in....

[Linjeakel]

If you sort by collection they will always appear in 'most recent order' and any books in at least one collection will no longer show on the home screen pages. Books not in a collection will show beneath the collections. If you want your collections in alphabetical order you must sort your home screen by title. However, this means that all your individual books will also display on the home screen pages and will be mixed in with your collections, all in alphabetical order. To display your collections in alpha order and at the top of the list, you will have to rename your collections with a symbol before the name. I use an asterisk i.e. *fiction or *not read or whatever. When this is done if you sort your home screen by title all your collections will come first, followed by all your books (whether also in a collection or not) but you can just ignore the pages after your collections. I also have a **currently reading collection - the two asterisks mean it will always come at the top and I can access the books I am currently reading very quickly - it's easy enough to move books in and out of collections.

This work around suits me, but you could adapt it if it's not quite right for you.

[PG4003 (Patricia)]

Thanks Linjeakel, that makes sense.   This is great fun!  But I wouldn't have the update if Luvmy4brats hadn't posted the bin file, very generous of her to do that for us.

Patricia

[Luvmy4brats]

If you sort your books by Author, all of your collections go to the end. I kind of like that because I rarely sort by Title. The only problem with that is there doesn't seem to be a method of how they show up in the list. They're not alphabetical, not by order in which they were created, not by most recent, and not by how many books are in the collection.

I also discovered that within a collection you can sort by Most Recent, Title or Author. With my tweaking the metadata with Calibre, I can get books to show up in the order I want them in (perfect for series)

[geoffthomas]

Heather,
I hope this has not been already discussed elsewhere......
But
Within the collection, how are the items sorted?

[Luvmy4brats]

Within a collection, you can sort them either by Title, Author, or Most Recent

[geoffthomas]

Thank you Heather.

[frazzm737]

I'm so glad to have seen this thread!  I'm still waiting for the update, but am thinking about categories and sorting.  I only have 8 books so far, so the job will not be to difficult.  I am so glad to have seen the *idea to keep categories organized.  Does anyone know if it will be possible to keep the archives organized?  That would help as I probably won't want to keep all the books I have read on the device.

[Ann in Arlington]

frazz, on Amazon, at least, you can sort your collection by date added/title/author. . . so there is some level of organization available. . . .you can also search which I find to be the quickest way to locate a specific book.

[Luvmy4brats]

I'm so glad to have seen this thread!  I'm still waiting for the update, but am thinking about categories and sorting.  I only have 8 books so far, so the job will not be to difficult.  I am so glad to have seen the *idea to keep categories organized.  Does anyone know if it will be possible to keep the archives organized?  That would help as I probably won't want to keep all the books I have read on the device.

The archives are only sorted by Title or Author. BUT if you put a book into a collection on your Kindle and then delete it, the Kindle will remember what collection it was in when you put it back on your Kindle.

I wish they had come out with this when I only had 8 books. It would have been so much easier to categorize (I have over 500 now)

[Shizu]

Within a collection, you can sort them either by Title, Author, or Most Recent

Luv, I'm wondering this is sorted with Author right? So how is it that they are in order of the book? Thought it would or might be in random order. 

[Luvmy4brats]

Luv, I'm wondering this is sorted with Author right? So how is it that they are in order of the book? Thought it would or might be in random order. 

Yes, it's an Author sort. What appears to be random order when you sort by author is actually it sorting by published date. It sorts by newest to oldest (or should if the date is correct) I used Calibre to edit the Published dates to get them to show up in the order I want. I changed the dates so that Book 1 had the most recent published date and Book 30 had the earliest date. I've been able to do this with ALL of the different series I read and it makes it so much easier to find the book I need next.

[Luvmy4brats]

If you sort by collection they will always appear in 'most recent order' and any books in at least one collection will no longer show on the home screen pages. Books not in a collection will show beneath the collections. If you want your collections in alphabetical order you must sort your home screen by title. However, this means that all your individual books will also display on the home screen pages and will be mixed in with your collections, all in alphabetical order. To display your collections in alpha order and at the top of the list, you will have to rename your collections with a symbol before the name. I use an asterisk i.e. *fiction or *not read or whatever. When this is done if you sort your home screen by title all your collections will come first, followed by all your books (whether also in a collection or not) but you can just ignore the pages after your collections. I also have a **currently reading collection - the two asterisks mean it will always come at the top and I can access the books I am currently reading very quickly - it's easy enough to move books in and out of collections.

This work around suits me, but you could adapt it if it's not quite right for you.

Thanks! This will work for me. Author sort with collections is worthless. They just go all the way to the end in no particular order.

HOWEVER, Title sort is useful! I put {} around each of my collection names {Unread}, {Personal Documents} (mainly because I think it looks prettier than **) 

If I just want to use most recent, I switch to Collection sort.

Now I'm going to play with different symbols to see which one will force certain collections to the top { seems to go higher than *

[PhillipA82]

Nice, I was also wondering that.

[Shizu]

Yes, it's an Author sort. What appears to be random order when you sort by author is actually it sorting by published date. It sorts by newest to oldest (or should if the date is correct) I used Calibre to edit the Published dates to get them to show up in the order I want. I changed the dates so that Book 1 had the most recent published date and Book 30 had the earliest date. I've been able to do this with ALL of the different series I read and it makes it so much easier to find the book I need next.

Thanks luv. Now I have to edit metadata with more thought.

[Linjeakel]

Thanks! This will work for me. Author sort with collections is worthless. They just go all the way to the end in no particular order.

HOWEVER, Title sort is useful! I put {} around each of my collection names {Unread}, {Personal Documents} (mainly because I think it looks prettier than **) 

If I just want to use most recent, I switch to Collection sort.

Now I'm going to play with different symbols to see which one will force certain collections to the top { seems to go higher than *

You're right the {  } symbols do look nicer! I think you can just put a double {{ to push it higher without using a different symbol. You'll have to publish a list when you've worked it all out! 

[PG4003 (Patricia)]

HOWEVER, Title sort is useful! I put {} around each of my collection names {Unread}, {Personal Documents} (mainly because I think it looks prettier than **) 
 

Thanks for that tip!  I like the brackets better too.

[frazzm737]

I like the brackets, too!  I'll use them if I ever get the update.

[Andra]

It's interesting that a { shows up before a *
All of the ASCII charts that I could find show that the { have a higher value
Here's a link for an example:
http://www.ddms.com/resources/help/reportsmenu/ascii_sort_order_chart.htm

[Luvmy4brats]

What do you think shows up first?

**Unread**

or ***Personal Documents***

or ** Quasi-Official Reading Game **

or * Samples *


Believe it or not it shows up in this order:

* Samples *
** Quasi-Official Reading Game **
***Personal Document***
**Unread**

I'm so confused. I guess it matters if you put a space in between then symbol and the word.

and {{Currently Reading}} is at the very top.

[Linjeakel]

What do you think shows up first?

**Unread**

or ***Personal Documents***

or ** Quasi-Official Reading Game **

or * Samples *


Believe it or not it shows up in this order:

* Samples *
** Quasi-Official Reading Game **
***Personal Document***
**Unread**

I'm so confused. I guess it matters if you put a space in between then symbol and the word.

and {{Currently Reading}} is at the very top.

I think you're right - it's the space that's making the difference. It's treated as a symbol in it's own right and it come before a *. So a * and a space comes before a * and a * , whereas a * and a letter comes after a * and a * alphabetically speaking. wow, headache ....

[k2reader]

I got the 2.5 update in May but haven't gotten 2.5.2 yet.

Question re. periodicals:

I have a couple of magazines that I do not have a subscription for anymore but *do* wish to keep. As I understand it, periodicals will go into the Periodicals: Back Issues folder/collection/whatever as soon as a new issue comes out. But I don't have the option (at least with 2.5) to put an old periodical in a collection thereby getting it out of my "main space". Has this changed with 2.5.2?

Thanks!

[patrisha w.]

If you sort by collection they will always appear in 'most recent order' and any books in at least one collection will no longer show on the home screen pages. Books not in a collection will show beneath the collections. If you want your collections in alphabetical order you must sort your home screen by title. However, this means that all your individual books will also display on the home screen pages and will be mixed in with your collections, all in alphabetical order. To display your collections in alpha order and at the top of the list, you will have to rename your collections with a symbol before the name. I use an asterisk i.e. *fiction or *not read or whatever. When this is done if you sort your home screen by title all your collections will come first, followed by all your books (whether also in a collection or not) but you can just ignore the pages after your collections. I also have a **currently reading collection - the two asterisks mean it will always come at the top and I can access the books I am currently reading very quickly - it's easy enough to move books in and out of collections.

This work around suits me, but you could adapt it if it's not quite right for you.

Thanks for the idea for the asterisks. Works like a charm!
patrisha

[Pushka]

# sorts after * so I have used Linjaekels scheme of ** and * for the collections I want to appear first, and then # for names of the specific authorsof which I have many books; and also used luvmy4brats idea of changing the publication date which forces them into the correct order.  A collective effort that!  And congrats to luvmy4brats for nabbing the elusive bin file!