Selling Kindle - how do I keep the books on it for someone else, etc. Help!

[cspercua]

I want to sell my Kindle - I have about 60 titles on in...and I want to make sure whoever buys it can keep those...  How do I protect my personal information on amazon.com?  Is there a way to sign it off to someone else so they are able to manage the account?
I have a Kindle 2...Christmas gift...
How much is it worth with the books?

I appreciate any help!!!!!!!! 

[drenee]

You need to deregister the Kindle from your account.  If you do not delete the books, they will still be there for the new owner.  Technically, the books have no value because they are not supposed to be transferrable.  The new owner would never be able to delete them from the device. 
Hope that helps.  Hope I made sense.
deb

[Tom Diego]

The new owner would never be able to delete them from the device. 

Stated differently, the new owner would have these books on the Kindle unless they decide to delete them.  Once deleted, they wouldn't be able to get them back.  If they buy a new Kindle at some future date, these books would not be able to be transferred to the new Kindle.

[cspercua]

Thanks to you both - that made Perfect sense!  Thanks again!

[intinst]

The new owner could copy them to a file on a computer for backup. They then could delete them from the Kindle if they wished. The files could be returned to the same Kindle whenever it was desired.

[SusanCassidy]

You would be violating the terms of service under which  you bought the books, though, I'm pretty sure.

[Ann in Arlington]

I haven't been able to find where it specifically says that, but I'm with Susan.  I don't think it would be right and if I were giving or selling the Kindle I'd reset it to factory first.  Plus. . . by leaving the books on the Kindle, you've used up a license. . . .that could become a problem if you have lots of devices on your account.

[Patrizia]

I went through this when I sold my DX. I had the buyer request I keep my books on it, however I have an Iphone, Ipad, three Kindles, that is five devices.. that would use up one.. so I factory reset it. I was also told that if she registers a new account (which she would have too) that if she deletes them they are gone forever, however they are still in my archives. In this case I started the slate clean.. and just reset it.

[lynninva]

There was a discussion a while back where someone noted that Amazon now specifically stated that you should remove all purchases prior to selling you Kindle.  I found this information is in Amazon's Kindle Support section:

Selling Your Kindle
If your Kindle is registered to your account, deregister the Kindle before selling it. Deregistering ensures that your Kindle cannot be used to make purchases on your account. Also, once the Kindle is deregistered, any books, subscriptions, or other content you've purchased from the Kindle Store will no longer be delivered to the device.

Remove all purchased material from the Kindle device. Purchased Kindle content cannot be sold according to the License Agreement and Terms of Use of the Amazon Kindle


Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_kland_faq_kreg?nodeId=200375750#register

I assume you could still leave any public domain items on the Kindle.

[Tom Diego]

From the link supplied above, here's the specific part of the license agreement and terms of use that would specifically prevent you from giving away your copy of paid digital content on a Kindle that you sell:

"Use of Digital Content. Upon your payment of the applicable fees set by Amazon, Amazon grants you the non-exclusive right to keep a permanent copy of the applicable Digital Content and to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times, solely on the Device or as authorized by Amazon as part of the Service and solely for your personal, non-commercial use. Digital Content will be deemed licensed to you by Amazon under this Agreement unless otherwise expressly provided by Amazon.

Restrictions. Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense or otherwise assign any rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party, and you may not remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Digital Content. In addition, you may not, and you will not encourage, assist or authorize any other person to, bypass, modify, defeat or circumvent security features that protect the Digital Content."

[Cat]

My thinking on this has always been that I'm allowed "x" number of licenses, and since I don't/won't come close it's up to me if I choose to "waste" (give ) one of my licenses away.
When I sent back the K1 after the recent situation (it's all good now ), I sent my books for her to keep or delete. While that K was in my possession it was mine to d/l my Amzn books to. When I sent it back, I simply view it as choosing to share/give her one of the licenses I'm entitled to.

TomDiego's post gives me second thoughts about it, tho.
"Restrictions. Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense or otherwise assign any rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party,"

By distribute, they probably mean people who'd make and distribute thousands of copies, but it could apply to distributing one copy if they chose to enforce it, I s'pose. Am I "otherwise assigning" any rights to another person when I give them to her the same as I would were she on my account?

Sure, I try to stretch/interpret to my advantage, but I keep in mind the legal share limit is 5 in most cases. A few have less, and many have more.

Any thoughts on my logic?

[Laurie]

Okay - help me to understand this correctly: We are considering buying one for my father-in-law. If I put him on my account and attached whatever books I purchased that I think he may like, would he still be able to use them if he decides to de-register and create his own account? If he turned on whispernet, would they be deleted from his new account? If he had them on backup, would they always work on his kindle even with the newly created account?

[pidgeon92]

If I put him on my account and attached whatever books I purchased that I think he may like, would he still be able to use them if he decides to de-register and create his own account?

Yes.

If he turned on whispernet, would they be deleted from his new account?

No.

If he had them on backup, would they always work on his kindle even with the newly created account?

Yes. But they will work on his Kindle only. Not your Kindle. Not the Kindle app he may have on his PC.

Once a file is downloaded, it only works on the device for which it was downloaded (you must always specify).

[Linjeakel]

Okay - help me to understand this correctly: We are considering buying one for my father-in-law. If I put him on my account and attached whatever books I purchased that I think he may like, would he still be able to use them if he decides to de-register and create his own account? If he turned on whispernet, would they be deleted from his new account? If he had them on backup, would they always work on his kindle even with the newly created account?

Even if he registers his Kindle to another account, the books he got from your account will remain on the Kindle, but he would unable to archive them. If he ever deleted them, they would be gone forever unless he had a backup on his PC. The backed up files will only ever work on the Kindle they were copied from. As things are at the moment, turning whispernet on after registering to a new account wouldn't mean the books from the old account would be automatically removed from the Kindle, but who knows whether amazon will work out a way to do that in the future.

[Pirate]

. . by leaving the books on the Kindle, you've used up a license. . . .that could become a problem if you have lots of devices on your account.

No, when you de-register the Kindle that you sell or give away, you no longer use up a license. Even if you leave books on it.

[Laurie]

Yes. But they will work on his Kindle only. Not your Kindle. Not the Kindle app he may have on his PC.

Once a file is downloaded, it only works on the device for which it was downloaded (you must always specify).

I'm not sure I understand this part. If I have two Kindles registered, and we both download the books to our separate devices - wouldn't we both always have it?

[drenee]

Yes, they will work on each specific device.  In other words, I can download a book to my Kindle, back it up onto my computer.  I cannot put that downloaded book on my computer onto my mother's Kindle even though she's on my account. 
Does that make sense?
deb

[Laurie]

Yes, they will work on each specific device.  In other words, I can download a book to my Kindle, back it up onto my computer.  I cannot put that downloaded book on my computer onto my mother's Kindle even though she's on my account. 
Does that make sense?
deb

Yes. So if we each download the same book on separate Kindles, and if we each back it up on our own computers, the it's still available to both of us even if he chooses to deregister and create his own account. Correct?

[drenee]

If I read the other posts correctly, and understood, that is correct.    
I hope I'm not getting confused. 
deb

[VictoriaP]

My thinking on this has always been that I'm allowed "x" number of licenses, and since I don't/won't come close it's up to me if I choose to "waste" (give ) one of my licenses away.
When I sent back the K1 after the recent situation (it's all good now ), I sent my books for her to keep or delete. While that K was in my possession it was mine to d/l my Amzn books to. When I sent it back, I simply view it as choosing to share/give her one of the licenses I'm entitled to.

TomDiego's post gives me second thoughts about it, tho.
"Restrictions. Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense or otherwise assign any rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party,"

By distribute, they probably mean people who'd make and distribute thousands of copies, but it could apply to distributing one copy if they chose to enforce it, I s'pose. Am I "otherwise assigning" any rights to another person when I give them to her the same as I would were she on my account?

Sure, I try to stretch/interpret to my advantage, but I keep in mind the legal share limit is 5 in most cases. A few have less, and many have more.

Any thoughts on my logic?

I think what TomDiego posted expressly prohibits what you did.  Additionally, in a previous post, Amazon's intent is made obvious--clear everything off the Kindle before it permanently leaves your possession.

(Do I think they'll come after individuals for stuff like this?  Not a chance, and not passing judgment either; I might do the same thing with books I'd never read again.  Just saying we don't have a leg to stand on here if they DID choose to do so.)

Having said that...whether or not you'll ever need those extra licenses depends a lot on whether or not you reread books.  No way in heck am I letting go of a single one of mine if I sell or giveaway my Kindle.  With my luck, several years and device upgrades down the road, I'd wish I still had them.  Heck, I delete my books off my iThings as soon as I'm done with them, because if they die unexpectedly or are lost or stolen, I do NOT want to have to deal with trying to get Amazon to clear those licenses again for my use.  I'm already using three devices personally after swearing I'd never read on anything but my Kindle ever again (turns out, sync between devices is a marvelous thing!) If I add a family member or two to my account as we've talked about a few times, there's at least two more.   

[LesleyO]

Yes, they will work on each specific device.  In other words, I can download a book to my Kindle, back it up onto my computer.  I cannot put that downloaded book on my computer onto my mother's Kindle even though she's on my account. 
Does that make sense?
deb

I believe you're off on this one, drenee. My husband and I have two Kindles; I buy everything on our desktop, and mark most for my Kindle and only some for his. However, everything goes into archives, and it's quite easy to move items from the archives to his Kindle. The only things that are absolutely specific to one device, period, are subscriptions to newspapers and magazines. For those, you cannot move an item from one Kindle to another.

But for books, you definitely can.

Naturally, that doesn't mean that if my husband started his own account, that could continue, because it couldn't. But between two Kindles on the same account, it's very simple.

[Tom Diego]

drenee is talking about backup up paid ebooks from a Kindle to a PC.  If the ebook files on the PC are copied to another Kindle they won't work on that Kindle.  You are talking about something entirely different.

Go ahead and try it.  Copy an e-book from your Kindle to your PC.  Then connect your husband's Kindle to your PC.  Copy that e-book from your PC to his Kindle.  See if he can open and read that e-book on his Kindle.  This is completely different than pulling e-books from the archives on an account onto Kindles that are registered to that account.

[Pushka]

The books that are in your own kindle archive will have the same name as in every other kindle archive in your account but the item that is actually downloaded is specific to that kindle.

[aussie.354]

I think what TomDiego posted expressly prohibits what you did.  Additionally, in a previous post, Amazon's intent is made obvious--clear everything off the Kindle before it permanently leaves your possession.

While I believe their Intent is obvious and I would not at all like to suggest going against it....I think their standpoint is...interesting. You have bought an ebook. Like any book, or for that matter, most things that you may purchase, it is in fact, yours to do as you may wish.

Cheers

[Linjeakel]

While I believe their Intent is obvious and I would not at all like to suggest going against it....I think their standpoint is...interesting. You have bought an ebook. Like any book, or for that matter, most things that you may purchase, it is in fact, yours to do as you may wish.

Cheers

No, not really. You don't buy the book, you buy the licence to read it and keep a copy of it on a limited number of devices that belong to you.