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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2010, 01:02:17 PM »

Some people just need to worry about something. I have a colleague at work like this. At those rare times when there seems to be nothing to worry about he worries about that.  Wink

This description fit my Mother perfectly. Still chuckling about it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2010, 06:35:56 PM »

On a more helpful note, I found this little clip thingy to be very effective for locking down my DX to the back cover making it impossible to absentmindedly open from the back regardless the number margaritas I've had. I'll have to check it out on the lighted cover when I get it.

Thanks for the suggestion. Though I'm still leading towards velcro, that seems a good option.  I don't think it's a matter of needing or wanting to worry about something, though.  Enough people had problems with the K2 case and their Kindles cracking that it seems reasonable to want a more stable way to hold the K3 in its case.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2010, 06:38:04 PM »

I have not been too worried about the right side of my K3 but I like that clip.  Please let us know how it works. 

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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2010, 06:21:34 AM »

I've got a non-lighted cover.  I'll use it since initially its basically the only game in town until the third party folks catch up and I can find either a hingeless cover I like, or one with suitable right side restraints.

I do have some concerns over the hinge system without suitable restrain on the right side.

I question Amazon's decision to do away with the right side restraints. The original K2 hinge covers came out without right side restraints and it generated a fairly large number of complaints, enough so that Amazon acknowledged the issue enough to redesign the covers to add right side restraints and then designed the KDX covers the same way (with restraints). It seems odd that Amazon has now chosen to ignore the issues and offer up K3 covers without the restraints.  To me, it seems as if there is some logic missing here to tacitly agree that a hinged cover without restraints can cause issues and then turn around and offer up those kinds of covers again, especially since they could have very easily incorporated right side straps (or a velcro attachment) since the magnet won't work in this case.

I really wish Amazon would have provided at least mock-ups to the third party manufacturers but fully understand their reasons for not doing so.  Amazon will sell a  lot of their own covers that will end up being tossed aside once the third party manufacturers start coming out with better covers.



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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2010, 11:04:48 AM »


 I found this little clip thingy to be very effective for locking down my DX to the back cover making it impossible to absentmindedly open from the back regardless the number margaritas I've had. I'll have to check it out on the lighted cover when I get it.







http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003F5C0PK/ref=oss_product

After receiving my lighted cover today I discovered this clip will not work with it. The back cover is too thick. But trying it on the front leads me to believe it might be fine for the none lighted cover.

Also, it seems to me Amazon has made some improvement on the hinge design which makes it a bit stiffer and perhaps less likely to allow accidental opening from the back.
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2010, 11:15:03 AM »

After receiving my lighted cover today I discovered this clip will not work with it. The back cover is too thick. But trying it on the front leads me to believe it might be fine for the none lighted cover.

Also, it seems to me Amazon has made some improvement on the hinge design which makes it a bit stiffer and perhaps less likely to allow accidental opening from the back.

So, the clip wouldn't be too big for the smaller K3?  I went ahead and ordered one last night because it seemed worth a try before resorting to Velcro.  My concern was whether it would get too close to the screen.  Hopefully it will work with my unlighted cover.  I'm still not liking the play on the right side of the cover.

I was wondering if maybe the K3 is constructed differently so cracking isn't as much of a concern?  Oh, well.  Not like Amazon is likely to become  chatty about how they came to their design decisions.   Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2010, 11:39:21 AM »

I'm also not happy with the right side not being secured, especially when I'm trying to pull the light out. But it occurred to me that might be why they didn't use the right hand strap, because that would somehow interfere with the light. Although I would have preferred a small strap that needed to be moved aside to access the light than no strap at all.
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2010, 11:45:45 AM »

Someone mentioned either using a little Velcro on that right side or possibly that double-sided tape that can be re-positioned.  If anyone tries anything and it works great, please post it on the boards somewhere b/c I am one who would probably like a little extra security over there too.  Mine is due to be here Mon or Tues so I'll check it out and see what I think when the time comes.

When my black lighted cover arrives today, I think I'm going to add a couple of mini glue dots to the inside of the back cover.  Glue dots are easy to remove but have a pretty good hold.  I'm more concerned if OTHER people pick up my cover incorrectly than myself, but I know it could happen.  My brother almost did this with my K2 and the Amazon hinged cover in January. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. (Thank goodness were in the ICU waiting room, eh?)
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2010, 11:49:58 AM »

I'm not worried about opening it from the wrong side, but I would have preferred to have corner straps. Mine is pretty stiff and doesn't fold back real well. It makes me nervous when I fold it back that it might put strain on the hinges. I bought it as a temporary until I can buy the Oberon. I don't like the feel of the felt on the inside. I always have the Oberon made without the wool so I'm used to that. I got the red cover and it is a nice color.  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2010, 12:45:35 PM »

I posted over at the Amazon discussion forum about this to get some other owners' opinions. Just wanted to see what everyone's take here was on the amount of wobble I have with my lighted case (particularly the top hinge). The concensus in the Amazon discussion seems to be that this isn't normal, so I've ordered a replacement case and will give that one a shot. Hopefully that's the issue, and not the slots in the Kindle itself. Anyhow, here's the video to show what I'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OczTuhFBeyo

Absolutely loving my new Kindle other than this issue. Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2010, 01:55:21 PM »

I have the Black non-lighted cover and I'm not worried.  I'll admit that I stayed away from this cover for my K2 because of the horror stories I heard but that appears to be mostly related to the original cover before Amazon added the elastic cord.

If my K3 cracks within the first year from using their cover I expect that Amazon will replace it.  I'll also insist that the cost of the cover be refunded.  If it cracks between year 1 and year 2 then Amex may cover it and SquareTrade definitely should cover it.  After that I won't worry at all because I'll have a K4!
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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2010, 02:21:14 PM »

After receiving my lighted cover today I discovered this clip will not work with it. The back cover is too thick. But trying it on the front leads me to believe it might be fine for the none lighted cover.

Also, it seems to me Amazon has made some improvement on the hinge design which makes it a bit stiffer and perhaps less likely to allow accidental opening from the back.

Well, too bad on that clip.  I was hoping it would give me the added security.  It would be nice to have that right side secured in some way.  I agree with you that the hinge system seems better this time.  My K2 was scratched by the hinge hooks and it was very difficult to get the cover off when I decided to change to a different cover.

This cover seems more secure.  I'm hoping someone comes up with a clip for the K3.  That would make me feel better.  I really do like the cover with the light.

Thanks PaulGuy.  If you find something else, let us know and I will do the same.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2010, 05:02:45 AM »

After receiving my lighted cover today I discovered this clip will not work with it. The back cover is too thick. But trying it on the front leads me to believe it might be fine for the none lighted cover.

Also, it seems to me Amazon has made some improvement on the hinge design which makes it a bit stiffer and perhaps less likely to allow accidental opening from the back.

I bought this clip and it arrived yesterday. It works great on the Amazon non-lighted case! It fits snugly but not tight. I've tipped it sideways and all around and the clip does not fall off or move.  I suppose if it took a hard fall it may jar it loose, but I'm hoping that doesn't happen. Looks like this is a good cheap solution for the wiggle room.
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2010, 05:50:44 AM »

Some people just need to worry about something. I have a colleague at work like this. At those rare times when there seems to be nothing to worry about he worries about that.  Wink

On a more helpful note, I found this little clip thingy to be very effective for locking down my DX to the back cover making it impossible to absentmindedly open from the back regardless the number margaritas I've had. I'll have to check it out on the lighted cover when I get it.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003F5C0PK/ref=oss_product

Drat! I just ordered this yesterday. (I just saw where you wrote it didn't fit the lighted cover.)  Well, at least it should qualify for a free return. That irks me though, because the description says that it does work with the lighted cover.  Cry 
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2010, 06:05:06 AM »

I bought this clip and it arrived yesterday. It works great on the Amazon non-lighted case! 

My clip came yesterday and I'm not sure it's the answer for me.  I thoughtit would be a bit more grippy.  So I'm back to thinking thin velcro will give a hold closer to what I want.   Undecided
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« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2010, 06:22:15 AM »

I have the lighted cover and use the elastic to secure it while reading.  Might be hard to explain but here goes......

I read with the front cover folded behind the back cover.  
First I remove the elastic and place it behind the back cover as you would when undoing the cover, then fold the front behind the back as you do while reading.
So the elastic is now between the back and front covers (remember the front is now folded behind the back).  
then I lift the top edge of the elastic and place it over the top right corner of the Kindle, then, about an inch or two down from the top, I slip the leather tab on the elastic behind the back cover and between the two covers, this holds it in place and the elastic secures the top corner diagonally, stopping the kindle dropping forwards.
So the top corner of the elastic is over the top corner of the Kindle, the rest of the elastic is behind the back cover, between the two covers........hope you get what I mean?  
Hard to explain but easy to do.

It also leaves the corner clear to pull out the light.....will try and get a photo.......
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« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2010, 06:30:08 AM »

I have the lighted cover and use the elastic to secure it while reading.  Might be hard to explain but here goes......

I read with the front cover folded behind the back cover.  
First I remove the elastic and place it behind the back cover as you would when undoing the cover, then fold the front behind the back as you do while reading.
So the elastic is now between the back and front covers (remember the front is now folded behind the back).  
then I lift the top edge of the elastic and place it over the top right corner of the Kindle, then, about an inch or two down from the top, I slip the leather tab on the elastic behind the back cover and between the two covers, this holds it in place and the elastic secures the top corner diagonally, stopping the kindle dropping forwards.
So the top corner of the elastic is over the top corner of the Kindle, the rest of the elastic is behind the back cover, between the two covers........hope you get what I mean?
Hard to explain but easy to do.

That works well while I'm reading.  Thank you.

I'm still interested in the clip for holding the right side at all times.  I emailed the seller.  Maybe there is something else.
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« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2010, 06:50:14 AM »

Just taken a couple of pics, as you can see it holds without you gripping it together, hands free !  Wink



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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2010, 07:00:22 AM »

Okay babyd, now that I've read your description on this thread, it's working much better for me.  I think starting with the elastic behind the cover is key to getting it to stay put.  Thanks!
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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2010, 07:02:02 AM »

Okay babyd, now that I've read your description on this thread, it's working much better for me.  I think starting with the elastic behind the cover is key to getting it to stay put.  Thanks!

glad its working now,  I can get mine to stay hands free now  Smiley
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2010, 09:37:09 AM »

I have the lighted cover and use the elastic to secure it while reading.  Might be hard to explain but here goes......

I read with the front cover folded behind the back cover.  
First I remove the elastic and place it behind the back cover as you would when undoing the cover, then fold the front behind the back as you do while reading.
So the elastic is now between the back and front covers (remember the front is now folded behind the back).  
then I lift the top edge of the elastic and place it over the top right corner of the Kindle, then, about an inch or two down from the top, I slip the leather tab on the elastic behind the back cover and between the two covers, this holds it in place and the elastic secures the top corner diagonally, stopping the kindle dropping forwards.
So the top corner of the elastic is over the top corner of the Kindle, the rest of the elastic is behind the back cover, between the two covers........hope you get what I mean?  
Hard to explain but easy to do.

It also leaves the corner clear to pull out the light.....will try and get a photo.......

Yeah I did that too right after my K3 came but I wanted something more permanent too in case someone else picked it up or something.

My clip came yesterday and I'm not sure it's the answer for me.  I thoughtit would be a bit more grippy.  So I'm back to thinking thin velcro will give a hold closer to what I want.   Undecided

I know what you mean. Although it doesn't fall off it isn't quite grippy, but my new skin came today and I'm thinking that may be just the ticket...a very slight addition of thickness plus the matte finish...it may just be grippy enough.
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2010, 10:50:16 AM »

Yeah I did that too right after my K3 came but I wanted something more permanent too in case someone else picked it up or something.

That's my fear.  My brother emailed me to say that my nephew wanted to see the back of the K3 (while it was in the lighted cover). Thankfully he stopped him before he opened the back cover!  I want something that will keep the back cover against the back of the K3.  I was thinking that maybe some redline tape would work. (Double sided tape that has a red liner on one side that is pulled off.)  Although I'm still leaning towards a couple of glue dots because at least they can be rubbed off with no residue.
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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2010, 07:51:21 AM »

Got my new skin on my K3 and then put two small Velcro circles on the back last night.  The clip just wasn't doing it for me as far as gripping.   I know the back of the cover is different than the front in a variety of ways, but those ways diminish when I have  it unlatched and it's a solid, darkish blue all over.  And I must be impulsive/distracted enough that I've already picked up the cover from the back several times, so I want a good, tight hold.  Plus the clip was a blot on the gorgeous skin.  Anyway, the Velcro is working great so far and not adding significantly to the bulk, especially when closed with the elastic.
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« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2010, 09:23:02 AM »

Got my new skin on my K3 and then put two small Velcro circles on the back last night.  The clip just wasn't doing it for me as far as gripping.   I know the back of the cover is different than the front in a variety of ways, but those ways diminish when I have  it unlatched and it's a solid, darkish blue all over.  And I must be impulsive/distracted enough that I've already picked up the cover from the back several times, so I want a good, tight hold.  Plus the clip was a blot on the gorgeous skin.  Anyway, the Velcro is working great so far and not adding significantly to the bulk, especially when closed with the elastic.

I wondered if the velcro would add too much bulk on the right side. I didn't want the kindle sitting at an angle due to the velcro there....so it sits pretty much even?

I think the glue dot is a good idea, but how would that come off of the inside fabric of the cover? I know it would rub right off of the kindle or skin, but not sure about the fabric.

Nothing seems to be the perfect solution. I wish Amazon would have designed this a little better and had something already in place to hold it there.
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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2010, 09:58:11 AM »

I wondered if the velcro would add too much bulk on the right side. I didn't want the kindle sitting at an angle due to the velcro there....so it sits pretty much even?

Pretty much even.  Nothing I'd notice if I wasn't looking specifically and if I do, yes, I can see there is very slight angle.  I really don't think it is in any way obvious though.  But then, I'm the person who keeps picking it up by the back cover so maybe I'm not the one to ask.   Cheesy

I agree there probably isn't a perfect solution.  I really like the cover.  The price sure beats some out there.  It is small, sleek, light.  But I wish it had a pocket and I really wish they had done a better job securing the Kindle to the back.  Velcro was as close to a perfectsolution as I could come up with for me.  
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