VOYAGER: Week of 4/27; Reading Chapters 14-23, Discuss Chapters 1-13 here

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

Sorry I took so long.  I wasn't happy with some of the questions and had to rework them.

Here they are at last. 

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.

7..  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story? 

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?

Part 3--Voyager

"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?

2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?

8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?

9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?


I was horrified.  Jamie was in the deepest despair when he went back to Culloden, then to find his most horrific memory lying on top of his stomach ... shudder.  The only good thing about it is that Jamie must have been the one to kill Randall. 

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?

I will surely miss that “wee canty bird.”  At least he was with Jamie to the end. 

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.

Jamie said it himself in DiA when he told Claire he was a dead man anyway.  He just wanted to go down fighting and die honorably.  At this point, Claire and the baby are lost, his country is lost, he knows if he is taken, he’ll be no use to Lallybroch, which is also lost to him.  I can understand his feelings.

It must have been terrible for Jamie to watch his companions taken out one-by-one to be shot, especially those two young boys.  How awful for all of them. 

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.

Surprised, elated, jumping up and down with joy.  I didn’t know how DG was going to get Jamie out of this one.  I don’t think Jamie was too happy about it though. 

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?

Brianna seems to be maturing.  Roger still seems more interested in her than she does in him.  I think she’s interested, but seems very caught up in the search for Jamie. 

She’s really changed her attitude towards Jamie.  I think as the search continues, she’s becoming more aware of him as a person. 

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.

Claire just wanted to be alone with her final memories of Jamie and didn’t want anyone to intrude.  When Frank came to the hospital, it was like pulling her away from Jamie.  I can’t blame Frank for his attitude toward Claire.  In fact, I commend him for taking responsibility for his wife.  Of course, as we see later on, he seems to be punishing her rather than supporting her. 

7.  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.

Fussy baby, dinner guests coming, furnace breaks down, unhelpful husband ... in my family, we call that “making memories.”  Several years later, we can even laugh about it. 

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story? 

I didn’t know it was a real legend.  I have to wonder where DG found that one.  When I first read it, I thought it would just lead to the dunbonnet and Jamie. 

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?

Hasn’t this man been through enough?  I think the hardest part for Jamie was not being able to help his family and, in fact, putting them in danger. 

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?

I knew Jenny wouldn’t let Fergus leave after he brought Donas back to Lallybroch.  He had nowhere else to go, and in any case, he wouldn’t have left Jamie.

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?

Jenny is so much like Jamie.  She copes with whatever life throws at her and doesn’t complain. 

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?

Um, has Jenny noticed that Jamie is living in a cave and he has a price on his head? 

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen? 

I think at that point, the soldiers are as tired of hunting Jacobites as the Jacobites are of having them around.  I thought for sure that Jamie was going to be caught and dire things would happen because Jenny was hiding him. 

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?

It shouldn’t have happened.  Fergus shouldn’t have taunted the soldiers, but that was his way.  Jamie was helpless to prevent it. 

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?

Jamie had reached the breaking point, and Lallybroch was at the end of its resources.  Jamie may no longer own the estate, but he still feels responsible for everyone.  It was the only way he could think to provide for them.  He was really already in prison, being confined to the cave.  At least he would have his fellow prisoners to talk with. 

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab.

Very touching.  It was good for them both and Mary was right in what she said to him. 

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?

Up until this point, I thought of Jamie as a young man.  I was always conscious of the difference in age between he and Claire, slight though it was.  There is no doubt that Jamie was very mature and capable adult when he and Claire were married, but I saw him the way others did.  Now, Jamie is aging rapidly in a cave. 

Part 3--Voyager
"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?

YAY!!!  It really is Jamie. 

2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?

Claire’s guilt was normal, and overwrought as she was by the incident, it was no surprise that she decided to give up her medical career.  Mother’s guilt is a very powerful thing.  I certainly didn’t expect Frank to offer to take up the slack, but it’s pretty obvious that he did it for Bree and not for Claire. 

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?

Jamie has assumed his normal leadership role.  He’s just one of those people that others turn to.

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?

Surprisingly tough and efficient.  Looking back on the incident at Carryarrick, Grey already showed his bravery. 

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?

Jamie still knows how to dissemble.  Grey is no match for the man who danced the tightrope in Paris.

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?

I felt Jamie was honest with Grey, but there was something that Jamie knew that Grey would never figure out. 

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?

It was inevitable considering what the previous governor said.  Besides wanting to find out about the Frenchman’s Gold, I think Grey needed to show Jamie that he was no longer the frightened boy Jamie knew at Carryarrick.  Jamie was a prisoner and Grey is now in charge.

8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?

Besides the obvious (Claire in his dreams), he’s making use of what he learned from her such as preventing scurvy and what little she knew about the aftermath of Culloden.

9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?

Couldn't you just feel Jamie's rage?  I'm thinking it took him a long time to get to sleep that night, if he slept at all.  I think it probably took Grey a while before he invited Jamie back for an evening chat. 

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?

That’s our Jamie.  His sacrifice was in vain, though, as the boy was beaten by the other prisoners.

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?

Not again!!  Jamie has so many scars on his back, now, the tissue there must be very hardened.

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?

Excited!!  I’m ready to go back, now. 

[Luvmy4brats]

I just finished chapter 13 and will try to come back in tomorrow and answer some of the questions.

I enjoyed th scene with Jamie and Lord John discussing long books. It was obviously DG's way of taking a shot at all of her critics that complain her books are so long. It's also her way of explaing why she feels the whole story is important.

[NessaBug]

Wow, this was two books ago for me, so I have to really remember how I felt and not give spoilers.


"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
Ha, finally got the bastard!

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
Sad for Jamie because Murtagh was always on his side and at his side.

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.
I can't begin to imagine the pain, physically and emotionally, he was going through at the time, but I knew he wouldn't so it made it easier to get through.

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.
Relieved and then, "What's the catch?"

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?
Cute, early flirtation. Probably going to go somewhere in the future.

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.
It was the one time I actually felt really awful for Frank. His wife disappears and then returns at random, telling this surprisingly ridiculous story of where she's been.

7.  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
Not only did she have to adjust to motherhood, she had to readjust to Frank, modern life and life without Jamie. No wonder she was frazzled.

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story?  
I googled the legend after I read this question and found a Q&A from Gabaldon. Interesting. Check it out.

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/faq/faq_characters.html#dunbonnet


Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?
Sad. Could he even stand up in there? He's a man who loves to be out, working the land, enjoying animals and being with his family. It was necessary, but it seems that he should have tried to go to France or something.

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?
No, that boy is a wart on Jamie's arse. Oh course he would be where his master was.

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?
Tough cookie, just like someone else we know. One of very few people who can bend Jamie's decisions.

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?
Silly. Doesn't she know Claire's the One? I wish she'd give it up. It will only lead to trouble.

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?
Nail-biting scene to be sure. I thought the baby would scream and ruin everything.

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?
Awful of course, but it's his own d*mn fault. Give them the booze and go away. Ah, the permanent follies of youth.

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?
Silly, but I can't see how it would be that much worse than being confined to the cave for SEVEN years.

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab
Touching. I think it was good for both of them and maybe gave a little comfort.

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?
It's sad to see him so lifeless with out Claire and feel how obligated he feels towards others. And the resignation is slowly killing his spirit.

Part 3--Voyager

"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?
Good. Hopeful. Wondering if Jamie would get his own chapter someday.

2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?
What an idiotic babysitter! No, I didn't, but it seemed self-serving, like "Look how great a parent I am. You should be more like me."

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?
He seems to have a quiet rage bubbling at his core waiting to be unleashed. But he's still the leader, the one to lean on and the one to get it done whatever the cost to himself.

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?
*smile* Too funny. I just kept waiting for the big reveal. Interesting man he grew up to be.

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?
Um, is OK if I don't remember this part and can't find it when I looked?

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?
*ducks* Sorry...

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?
No, Grey knew who the prisoners listened to and trusted.

8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?
The greens eating, the dreams, the weight of loving her in his heart.

9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?
I was surprised when he didn't hit John. Again, you could feel the seething rage.

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?
Aside from taking a beating he knew he could handle and sparing the boy, he wanted John to associate him with something other than desire.

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?
Not as horrific as earlier scenes, but still unpleasant. You know he feels every stroke.

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?
Yea! When does Claire leave? Poor Brianna. Wait, will she decide she wants to go too?

[Toby]

***I can't remember "The leap of The Cask". Thanks for the link!!!
***Yes, I also loved reading the part about Jamie talking about the length of books & books in general.
***Murtagh - I kind of suspected that he would have died considering his age, but felt very sad that he did, since he's cared for Jamie & Claire.
***I wanted to slap Frank when he sounded off on Claire when he expected her to be superwoman for his associates. I also wanted Claire to tell Frank about what occured in the day & could he have done any better? Then, I would have taking off to cool off.
***When Jamie woke up with Jack Randall on top of him, my thoughts went back to Claire & Roger research into where's Jamie. We read that Claire was confused about why both Jamie & Jack would end up dead at that same church. I'm not sure if Claire was also confused about how Jamie ended up so far away from the battle field. I wasn't sure if Jamie got Jack or another Scott got him.
***I thought it was a bit over the top when Jamie insisted on being killed with his men. I can well imagine him wanting to die with the grief that he was dealing with, but to beg to be killed & mad about it. I don't get it. Is it, besides the grief, a romantic notion of dying as a warrior?
***Okay, that's all the time I have for now. Later.  Got to read Voyager.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

I enjoyed th scene with Jamie and Lord John discussing long books. It was obviously DG's way of taking a shot at all of her critics that complain her books are so long. It's also her way of explaing why she feels the whole story is important.

Hah ... good insight.  I love it.  When a book is great, it can't be too long. 

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story?  
I googled the legend after I read this question and found a Q&A from Gabaldon. Interesting. Check it out.

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/faq/faq_characters.html#dunbonnet

I forgot that part about the dunbonnet being named James Fraser.  Do you think she found that legend before writing Outlander and that's how she decided on Jamie's name?

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?
Um, is OK if I don't remember this part and can't find it when I looked?

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?
*ducks* Sorry...

There's never any obligation to answer all the questions.  Just as a refresher, that was the man that told Jamie about the Frenchman's Gold intended for Charles Stuart.

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?
Aside from taking a beating he knew he could handle and sparing the boy, he wanted John to associate him with something other than desire.

Good thought.  By forcing John to punish him, he put a further distance between them.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

***I thought it was a bit over the top when Jamie insisted on being killed with his men. I can well imagine him wanting to die with the grief that he was dealing with, but to beg to be killed & mad about it. I don't get it. Is it, besides the grief, a romantic notion of dying as a warrior?

It was more than grief.  If he was taken by the English, he faced drawing and quartering.  Remember Monsieur Forez in DiA demonstrating to Jamie exactly how they execute traitors?  It's a pretty horrible way to die.

If by some chance he got away, the Scots would hunt him down for killing Dougal. 

Either way, Jamie knew he was going to die, so might as well die on his own terms and go down fighting.   

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

Gertie;
I finished my paper last night and got to get back to Voyager. I will come back and answer the questions after I finish the chapters. Oh yes, and after I finish crying. My heart broke for Jamie when he woke up at Culloden and realized he was not dead.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

Gertie;
I finished my paper last night and got to get back to Voyager. I will come back and answer the questions after I finish the chapters. Oh yes, and after I finish crying. My heart broke for Jamie when he woke up at Culloden and realized he was not dead.

And if he was dead, who he was stuck with in the afterlife. 

[Toby]

***Yes, so true, Gertie. Thanks for the reminder. Yup, now I remember the English torture. I'm still just wondering if the Scotts would have killed Jamie, because of Dougal. Jamie could have said that Dougal was trying to kill his wife & he was only protecting her. Jamie could have just said that Dougal was hallucinating. It was self defense. Wishful thinking, I guess.
***Fergus - Fergus was acting as cocky Fergus, himself. He's a bit too fearless for his own good. He's still just a kid. That was shocking when he was hurt. I thought he was dead at 1st. I wonder if he was trying to draw attention away from Jamie's cave? Probably not. Just wanted not to hand over the ale.
***Jamie holding the baby in the closet in Jenny's room. Well, I just felt that something was going to happen. I was so relieved that the baby didn't scream. I was on pins & needles.
***I knew Grey would be making a pass. Geesh!! Will these men just leave Jamie alone!!!! Besides that bit to enrage Jamie, they get along quite nicely considering the circumstances. They both have a sense of honor. They both can read. LOL! Both are educated. Grey wants to help the prisoners the best that he can. So does Jamie. They both want out of that prison & area. They both lost someone that they loved. They both play chess. Jamie saved Grey's life. Because of Grey, Jamie didn't die.
***Mary - a bit of a surprise, yet I didn't feel like Jamie betrayed Claire, as he thought that he would never see her again. I was glad that she was there for him.
***The dying man - I'm not sure if what happened after, occured last week or this, so I won't discuss that part yet.
***Good point about the distancing part when Jamie took responsibility & got flogged. I'm also thinking. Geesh!!! The pain Jamie has to keep enduring. Also, I like Jamie's thoughts afterwards about people tending to do what they are meant to do vs. doing what they are not meant to do. Morrison, I think that's the nam, is the healer there. Yet he knows no more than the other men. Jamie, the 1 that the other men go to for advice & to be their leader.

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
Jamie had once told Claire that what was between him and Randall would never be over until one of them was dead. Now it is over, but was Jamie the one who ended it?

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
I was sad because Murtagh was the one who always had Jamie’s back, and I think he was a father figure to Jamie. He was, after all, Jamie’s godfather.

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.
He felt he had nothing to live for with Claire and the baby gone. He knew if the English took him, it would be a long painful death. If the Scots got him, it would be a disgrace. I can understand the depth of depression he must have been in.

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch?
Jamie should have sent Claire back to Lallybroch with Fergus, and then she would have been there to take care of him.

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?
They both believe Claire and are completely focused on finding out what happened to Jamie. Roger is falling in love with Bree, but since none of this is written from Bree’s point of view, it is hard to tell how she really feels about him. But, I also think she is so focused on the search for Jamie, that she doesn’t really see Roger as a love interest.

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie?
Claire is fighting to keep Jamie alive in her memory, and she sees Frank as an intrusion. She knows she did what was best for the baby, but she feels like she deserted her husband. Frank thinks Claire is deluded, or maybe Stockholm syndrome before it was given a name. Was she with her captors so long that she no longer knew what was real?

7. Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
She was trying to be the proper wife of an up and coming college professor. She was also trying to be the perfect mother. Claire was not really the domestic type, and wearing so many hats was too much, especially when she was still living in the past with Jamie. She could not let go.

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story?  
I knew it had to have something to do with Jamie, otherwise, why bring it up?

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?
He must have wondered if he wouldn’t have been better off having died at Culloden. But, being a Catholic, he could not take his own life.

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?
Where else would he be? The last time we saw him; Jamie put him on Donas and sent him from Culloden to Lallybroch with the deed of sasine assigning Lallybroch to young Jamie. Based on the timeline, Jamie arrived on the verge of death about a week later. Fergus would stay with “milord” who was the only family he had.

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?
Jenny is a Fraser. Weren’t the Frasers known to be stubborn? She was as stubborn as Jamie, but also had the same sense of honor and duty.

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?
Jenny thought, like everyone else, that Claire was dead. She loved Jamie and wanted him to be able to move on with his life and try to find some happiness.

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?
Jenny was very sharp to think of telling them the baby was dead. What kind of man could search a grieving mother’s room? I was hoping the baby would not cry. I felt bad for little Jamie, thinking the baby was gone. He definitely showed he was a Fraser though, the way he lit into the British officer.

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?
Fergus was trying to protect Jamie. I wonder though if he would have gotten off if he had let them have the cask, or if they would have interrogated him about where he was going with it. I knew Jamie would honor his promise to always take care of Fergus if he was caught and punished.

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?
I think he was doing what he thought was the only thing he could to take care of his family and his tenants. They were going to starve and he had no other way to provide for them. Maybe he was hoping he would be killed, and then his suffering would be over.

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab
Mary was not after Jamie, I think she wanted to give him the only thing she could to try to help him. They both were lonely hurting people, and they both needed that night.

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?
No, he is still and honorable man. He is maturing, but it has always been hard to remember how young he was. Even at this point, he is only about 33 years old.

Part 3--Voyager

"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?
He didn’t die, but where is he?

2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?
What a terrible babysitter! I think in his own way, Frank loved Claire and admired her spirit. Also, Bree was very important to Frank, and he would do whatever he had to to take care of her.

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?
He is resigned to what he sees as his fate. He didn’t die at Culloden, so he will continue to take care of the people under his charge.

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?
Still very unsure of himself like he was at Carryarick.

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?
He kept his word and told Grey what was said. But with the story about the witch, he had to try to find Claire. Did he really get rid of all the treasure except the sapphire?   

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?
Claire was his whole world, and he had to try to find her if she was still there.

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?
No matter what Grey thought about Jamie, he was a pragmatist, and would do what needed to be done.

8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?
He is using what she taught him about preventing scurvy and other things. She is always in his dreams.

9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?
He is lucky Jamie did not break his neck. It seems everyone is attracted to Jamie, but Grey seems to be really falling in love, while with Randall it was more an obsession that he had to have Jamie.

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?
He was taking care of his men, which was his nature. He also wanted to build a wall to keep Grey at a distance. He could not let there be a repeat of Wentworth.

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?
I cried, that was one of Jamie’s fears. He had already been flogged and knew how painful it was.

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?
Roger is as invested in this search now as Claire and Bree, but he was also doing this for Bree.

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

***I thought it was a bit over the top when Jamie insisted on being killed with his men. I can well imagine him wanting to die with the grief that he was dealing with, but to beg to be killed & mad about it. I don't get it. Is it, besides the grief, a romantic notion of dying as a warrior?
***Okay, that's all the time I have for now. Later.  Got to read Voyager.

Remember Monsieur Forez's discussion with Jamie in France about how traitors were drawn and quartered? That is what was waiting for Red Jamie in London. Being shot in the head on the field would be a much more merciful form of death. But, even if he escaped, the Scots would be after him for killing Dougal. He figured he was a dead man, it was just a matter of how and when. Nothing romantic about it.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
Jamie had once told Claire that what was between him and Randall would never be over until one of them was dead. Now it is over, but was Jamie the one who ended it?

I like to believe that Jamie is the one who ended it. 

7. Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
She was trying to be the proper wife of an up and coming college professor. She was also trying to be the perfect mother. Claire was not really the domestic type, and wearing so many hats was too much, especially when she was still living in the past with Jamie. She could not let go.

This is why I don't think Claire would have lasted long in the role of Oxford Don's wife, even if she hadn't traveled to the past. 

[bookfiend]

I forgot that part about the dunbonnet being named James Fraser.  Do you think she found that legend before writing Outlander and that's how she decided on Jamie's name?

I read in the Outlandish Companion, that DG named Jamie before finding the legend.  Leap o the cask  also happens ne'er Broch Morda.  There are alot of coincidences in what she wrote, and the facts she found out about after the fact.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

I read in the Outlandish Companion, that DG named Jamie before finding the legend.  Leap o the cask  also happens ne'er Broch Morda.  There are alot of coincidences in what she wrote, and the facts she found out about after the fact.

Welcome to our Klub, bookfiend.  The only hard and fast rule here is that you stay within the chapter set we are discussing.  You can go back to other threads to discuss other chapters, and someone will always join you there.  Other than that, there is no obligation to answer the questions.  Just jump in whenever you like. 

[Toby]

***Thanks you tlshaw. Yes, I thought of that at the time. Then I forgot about the French Dr. I was in the moment & thinking that Jamie is a fighter, a survivor. Yet, I do understand how he would be in so much grief that he would wish to die. Now, thinking that he would be tortured to death, I'd take being shot as well.

[bookfiend]

Welcome to our Klub, bookfiend.  The only hard and fast rule here is that you stay within the chapter set we are discussing.  You can go back to other threads to discuss other chapters, and someone will always join you there.  Other than that, there is no obligation to answer the questions.  Just jump in whenever you like. 

Sorry, The thread I replied to had been inactive for a few days, and what I said was relevent to that thread, Im not sure how my reply got to this one, but I defiantly didn't derail on purpose. Thanks for the welcome.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

Sorry, The thread I replied to had been inactive for a few days, and what I said was relevent to that thread, Im not sure how my reply got to this one, but I defiantly didn't derail on purpose. Thanks for the welcome.

You didn't derail at all.  Leap O' the Cask is part of the chapters we are discussing now.  Anyway, we hardly ever employ Monsieur Forez to draw and quarter new members.   

[bookfiend]

You didn't derail at all.  Leap O' the Cask is part of the chapters we are discussing now.  Anyway, we hardly ever employ Monsieur Forez to draw and quarter new members.   

Are you saying you use the less experienced executioners to prolong the agony, by messing it up.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

Are you saying you use the less experienced executioners to prolong the agony, by messing it up.

Well, you know we love our bargain books and free books, so we're not going to pay top dollar for the best.  Student executioners need the experience and they're generally free or 99 cents.   

[bookfiend]

Well, you know we love our bargain books and free books, so we're not going to pay top dollar for the best.  Student executioners need the experience and they're generally free or 99 cents.   

So, essentially: your just doing what the KBs do best, enabling.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

So, essentially: your just doing what the KBs do best, enabling.

You know us so well. 

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

You didn't derail at all.  Leap O' the Cask is part of the chapters we are discussing now.  Anyway, we hardly ever employ Monsieur Forez to draw and quarter new members.  

Monsieur Forez does occasionally stop by to supervise, and join in the conversation though. Sometimes he even brings gifts of his salve. It is great stuff!

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

Monsieur Forez does occasionally stop by to supervise, and join in the conversation though. Sometimes he even brings gifts of his salve. It is great stuff!

Sure helps my rheumatism. 

I wish he wouldn't drop by right after work, though.  He keeps gazing off into space and getting this funny look on his face. 

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

Sure helps my rheumatism. 

I wish he wouldn't drop by right after work, though.  He keeps gazing off into space and getting this funny look on his face. 

And he insists on discussing his day over dinner

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

And he insists on discussing his day over dinner

Of course, we never eat at his house, especially when he's serving liver. 

[PraiseGod13]

There is another scene that "haunts" me from these chapters and I don't think anyone has mentioned it.  It's the scene back in the jail cell after Jamie's flogging where the other prisoners quietly beat the young man who had actually had the plaid when Jamie took the blame.  And afterwards, the young man comes over to Jamie and apologizes.  That whole scene of his beating and his apology - and Jamie's acceptance of the apology and forgiveness - get ahold of me and won't let go..... totally typical for this series of books!  There is such a sense of honor - and notice that Jamie doesn't call out to or stop the men when he realizes what they are doing to the young man.  Yet here is Jamie - once again torn and bleeding - and he is able to do what is right and accept the apology and restore the young man to right-standing.  Phew........

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

You're right, that is a very intense occurrence. I think while Jamie felt he had to stand between the young man and the British, he also was well aware that the young man did have to face the consequence of his actions. The beating he took from the other prisoners was much less severe than what Jamie endured. Not only is he the laird of Lallybroch, he is the laird in the prison. He takes his role very seriously.

[bookfiend]

I think it corralates to the beating he gave Clair in Outlander.  The beating was to instill the fact that one persons small actions can greatly effect the group.  The men wouldn't accept her again until after the punishment,  and the prisoners wouldn't have accepted the boy without some kind of punishment or consequence.  Also in DIA when the servants insist on Furgus being beaten for allowing Clair to come home with a stranger.  I think its a sign of the times, Jamie doesn't have to like it, but it does have to happen.

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

There is another scene that "haunts" me from these chapters and I don't think anyone has mentioned it.  It's the scene back in the jail cell after Jamie's flogging where the other prisoners quietly beat the young man who had actually had the plaid when Jamie took the blame.  And afterwards, the young man comes over to Jamie and apologizes.  That whole scene of his beating and his apology - and Jamie's acceptance of the apology and forgiveness - get ahold of me and won't let go..... totally typical for this series of books!  There is such a sense of honor - and notice that Jamie doesn't call out to or stop the men when he realizes what they are doing to the young man.  Yet here is Jamie - once again torn and bleeding - and he is able to do what is right and accept the apology and restore the young man to right-standing.  Phew........

That scene really got to me, too.  I felt like Jamie's sacrifice was in vain because the boy got beaten anyway.  There was more to it than that, though, as we discussed above.  Jamie not only wanted to save the boy from a flogging, but it was a way of distancing himself from John. 

You're right, that is a very intense occurrence. I think while Jamie felt he had to stand between the young man and the British, he also was well aware that the young man did have to face the consequence of his actions. The beating he took from the other prisoners was much less severe than what Jamie endured. Not only is he the laird of Lallybroch, he is the laird in the prison. He takes his role very seriously.

He is a natural leader.  People are drawn to Jamie, no doubt about it.  In rags and chained, they still know Jamie is laird. 

I think it corralates to the beating he gave Clair in Outlander.  The beating was to instill the fact that one persons small actions can greatly effect the group.  The men wouldn't accept her again until after the punishment,  and the prisoners wouldn't have accepted the boy without some kind of punishment or consequence.  Also in DIA when the servants insist on Furgus being beaten for allowing Clair to come home with a stranger.  I think its a sign of the times, Jamie doesn't have to like it, but it does have to happen.

They all seem to have a very refined sense of justice.  There is crime, there is punishment, there is redemption.  When Jamie punished Claire, the men forgave her to the extent that they kept finding excuses to stop by the side of the road so she could get off her horse and relieve her pain. 

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

They all seem to have a very refined sense of justice.  There is crime, there is punishment, there is redemption.  When Jamie punished Claire, the men forgave her to the extent that they kept finding excuses to stop by the side of the road so she could get off her horse and relieve her pain. 

They also made sure to swat her on the bum the next morning

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

They also made sure to swat her on the bum the next morning

Yes, they did, didn't they.   

[Anju No. 469]

Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
Jamie finally got his revenge

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
very sad

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.
his life was falling apart, Claire was gone, his men were dead, what did he have to live for?

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.
maybe thing would turn around for him

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?
he is smitten, she is coming around, but she is still young

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.
She had no choice, but I don't think Frank really believed her at that time.

7..  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
After the life she had just led it would seem tame, that is even including nursing during the war

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story?
Thought it was probably real, and knew it would be tied in somehow

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?
probably did not realize it would be so long before he could come out in the open again, but he was able to see and be with his family

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?
Fergus is attached to Jamie and would not leave him for any reason

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?
Wouldn't she be a tiger nowadays?  Strong woman, but then a lot of women in that time frame had to be strong

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?
She did not want him to grieve and thought he could have a life

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?
soldiers are bullies, in that time frame and I was a tad bit nervous

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?
completely forgot about it, don't remember

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?
Only way he could save his family from starvation, and it would help keep him from being drawn and quartered

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab
She needed to and felt he needed some softness

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?
He's getting mature and not quite so spontaneous, he is thinking of consequences

Part 3--Voyager

"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?
ambivilious

2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?
Frank knew he couldn't have children, so he just took Bree as one of is own

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?
accepted that he was not going to die when he wanted to so might as well make the best of life

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?
had a feeling what would happen would happen and it did happen

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?
Very good, honest as well

6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?
don't know

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?
if the previous commander had not commented he probably would not have

8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?
she will always be in his heart

9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?
you just knew having already known about Grey's inclination that he would make a pass, Jamie did quite nicely

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?
protection of "his" soldier

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?
it was expected so no reaction

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?
excited and glad it did not take any longer

[imallbs]

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

"He was dead. However, his nose throbbed painfully, which he thought odd in the circumstances".

  What a great 1st line.  It sure did take Jamie a while to figure out he was alive.  And so much for that long, straight Fraser nose Clarie is always talking about.

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
Is he really, truly dead this time?  DG does have a habit of resurrecting people.  I guess the whole head not being attached to the body thing makes it pretty sure.

Jamie had once told Claire that what was between him and Randall would never be over until one of them was dead. Now it is over, but was Jamie the one who ended it?

 
I have assumed it was Jamie but I also wondered...t wouldn't have been out of character for Murtagh to have killed Randall to save Jamie.

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
This was sad.  I'm going to miss Murtagh.  Murtagh's death leaves Jamie more alone than ever.

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.
In his mind, he was dead already; he just wanted to get it over with; after all, everything he cared about was either gone or jeopardized by his presence.

It must have been terrible for Jamie to watch his companions taken out one-by-one to be shot, especially those two young boys.  How awful for all of them.

  Yeah, he no longer cared for his own life but he stilled cared about the people around him. 

and he knew the seriousness of the wound.  He would die soon in any case; thank God that it need not be alone, in the dark

  How gut wrenching is that line?  I knew Jamie wasn't going to die but still....

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.
I was wondering how DG was going to get him out of this.  Honor pays off - even if Jamie doesn't think so now.

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?
Things are moving a little fast are they not. 

Brianna seems to be maturing

Not quite the spoiled little teenager 1st presented in DIA

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.
Claire is being blunt but in can come across as cruel.  She was just as blunt when she told Brianna that Jamie was her father.  No wonder people get a little angry.

It was the one time I actually felt really awful for Frank. His wife disappears and then returns at random, telling this surprisingly ridiculous story of where she's been.

  I felt the same way about Frank.  Now he gets to be honorable (Jamie's not the only one with that trait).  Is Claire drawn to honorable men?

7..  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
At 1st she's still going through the motions while being half dead inside.  The rest (the history professor's wife) is the part she was prepared to play before stepping through the stones the 1st time.  I don't think that part of her life would have been any different.

8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story? 
I had no idea it was a real legend.
knew it had to have something to do with Jamie, otherwise, why bring it up?[/quote]  DG does a good job making everything work with everything else.  Considering the length of each book and the series as a whole, that's quite an accomplishment.

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?
That had to have been hard to endure.  So close to the home and people he loved (minus the most important one) yet not able to be a real part of the family or take care of the people he is responsible for.  People were being killed, they were losing everything and he had to hide.

2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?
Not at all.  Wherever Jamie is, Fergus is

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?
The woman needs to chill.  That being said how do you survive an occupation without becoming more controlling of what you have left.

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?
When Jamie and Claire got married, he told her he had nothing to offer.  That was not quite true but it sure is true now.  What was Jenny thinking?  I know she loves her brother and thinks anyone would be lucky to get him...but really.  Another thought, is she afraid he will take off now that he has nothing to keep him at Lallybroch and marriage and children will keep him at home.  She must be tired of worrying about him and wondering if he is dead.

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?

That was tense.  I was wondering what was going to happen when Jamie hid with the baby.  Fast thinking, telling the officer the baby was dead.  Young Jamie helped get the soldier out of there with his outburst.

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?
Fergus would do anything to protect Jamie but I don't think he thought he would get caught.  I had always gotten away before.


Darn, I have to go to work.  I know it will be late for this week's discussion, but I'll try to come back here when I get off tonight - there's so much more I want to talk about.

[danfan]

I'm slowly catching up!!  I'm going to give my answers before going back to read everyone else's so that my answers are my first impressions rather than swayed by other views.

"Battle, and the Loves of Men"
Chapters 1-3

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
A little confused.... did Jamie kill him? If so, Jamie took on the last fight that maybe stopped him giving up his life - he had to stay alive to kill Randall rather than just let himself be killed.
Confused though with the same question that Claire had when she found Jamie's grave in Dragonfly in Amber - how was he buried so far away??

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
Very sad, & a bit surprised since he's tough as old boots. Kind of thought he'd be around forever.

3.  Talk about your feelings when Jamie wanted to die.
Can't. I'll cry and I am at work.

4.  How did you feel when Melton decided to send Jamie back to Lallybroch.
Wow. and wow. An opening for so many chances! I didn't see that coming! He can't die now on that journey!

5.  What are your impressions of Roger and Brianna at this point?
Roger - I think he's one of those who has found his real calling in life & this is all a challenge he can't resist. I was worried for him finding 'Gillian' and what the results would bring.
Brianna - I want to shake her at this point. But understand the shock she is feeling completely.
As a couple, it seems a rather compelling attraction.

6.  What was your impression of the scene where Claire tells Frank about Jamie.
A little blunt! I imagine he must have been struck dumb & of course, couldn't possibly believe any of it. But how do you tell someone that kind of truth without being blunt?

7..  Talk about Claire in the role of Frank's wife and being a new mother.
I think she's just living for her daughter and to honor Jamie. She's in a very different role, that once she could have managed to live & love with Frank but obviously now has to do through duty. She's also honor bound to Frank who is standing by her the best way he can.


8.  "Leap o' the Cask" is a real legend.  When you read it, did you think it was a real story?  What part did you think this legend was going to play in the story?
No, I had no idea it was a real legend, but then throughout all the books so far I have wondered which parts were real, which fictionalized. I've routed through my encyclopedia a few times.
Figured it had to be Jamie but was sad that he had to spend so many years living that way.

Part 2--Voyager

"Lallybroch"
Chapter 4-6

1.  How do you feel about Jamie living in the cave?
So very difficult, and almost savage. A lonely existence that surely could have turned him savage if not for the infrequent comfort and love brought from home.


2.  Were you surprised that Fergus is at Lallybroch?
No, not really. I assumed Fergus would follow Jamie to the end of the world if he could.

3.  Jenny appears again, what are your impressions of her?
Tough & very strong; running the place alone, responsible for other families as well as her own in a state of living that is truly difficult to comprehend. Only the toughest could have managed that,

4.  What do you think of Jenny trying to convince Jamie to marry?
A typical sister reaction, I should say. She's never known what happened to Claire, or even known the truth about Claire in the first place. I think she just sees it as a practical solution that could chance a little happiness & companionship for Jamie.

5.  Give us your impression of the soldiers in Jenny's room right after the baby's birth.  What did you think was going to happen?
Terrified that the baby would start screaming & Jamie would be dragged out for execution.

6.  How did you feel about Fergus' accident?
Ugh! poor boy! But bloody stubborn too. I was thinking the same as Jamie - just give them the cask and run!

7.  What is your opinion of Jamie's intention of being captured?
Typical Jamie. I wasn't surprised - he's living an endless life in that cave, putting everyone at risk. He sees a solution to end that and help his family with money.

8.  Share your feelings about the scene between Jamie and Mary McNab
I thought that was a but odd.

9.  At this point, have your impressions of Jamie changed?
Not at all. He still has all the same qualities but has more time to think through what he thinks, feels and does.

Part 3--Voyager

"When I am thy captive"
Chapters 7-13

1.  What was your reaction to Linklater's letter about Jamie?
At this point it's confirming my suspicions and giving lots of hope! But still, Linklater doesn't know more... lots of digging still to do.


2.  What did you think of the incident where Bree was left on her own and run over by a car?  Did you expect Frank to react the way he did?
How awful! I'd be pressing charges against that babysitter. 
Frank surprised me, pleasantly. He was very open minded.

3.  How has Jamie changed from the time of Culloden to his experience at Ardsmuir?
I think part of him just takes it a day at a time. He's resigned to his fate and obviously no longer feels the need to die. He could have had plenty of chances to turn himself in while they were still executing Jacobite supporters. At some point, he says he's changed, he no longer feels the need to die over losing Claire. He has new roles that he takes on with the same strength as always.

4.  What did you think of Major Grey?
Immature, young. Not sure at first if a great presence or a terrible one.

5.  How did you feel about Jamie's handling of the situation with the dying man?
I don't think he could have done anything better - getting info without giving anything important away, and comforting the dying man at the same time.


6.  How did you feel about that same situation after hearing Jamie's side?
As above,

7.  Were you surprised that Grey began dining with Jamie on a weekly basis?
No. I figured from his predecessor that this was done for the benefit of both sides so would begin again soon enough.


8.  In what ways are Claire still with Jamie while he is in Ardsmuir?
I think remembering her, dreaming of hr pregnant, keeps him alive. Believing and hoping that she is somewhere safe with his baby. Using what he learned from her to keep his comrades healthy. And maybe hoping someday she'll come back - his escape to the coast shows he believes there might be that chance.


9.  How did you feel about Grey making a pass at Jamie and Jamie’s reaction to it?
oh no! not again!  I thought Jamie was very reserved given his history, but then I don't think Grey has the same sadistic mind as Randall, and maybe Jamie sees that.

10.  Why would Jamie have taken out the tartan for Grey to see knowing the penalty?
Did he take it out?  I thought it was found and Jamie just took the blame for it? He sees his role as leader and protector. To keep morale of the men. He's been flogged many times - he can live through it physically and the emotional burden of it can't be worse than before.

11.  How did you react to the flogging scene?
How many scars on his back now??

12.  How did you feel when Roger announced to Brianna that they had located Jamie?
Excited for all of them!

[Gertie Kindle 'a/k/a Margaret Lake']

I'm slowly catching up!!  I'm going to give my answers before going back to read everyone else's so that my answers are my first impressions rather than swayed by other views.

Good to see you hear, danfan.  I'm assuming your screen name comes from Dan Radcliffe? 

1. What did you think when Jamie awoke and found Jack Randall's body lying across him?
A little confused.... did Jamie kill him? If so, Jamie took on the last fight that maybe stopped him giving up his life - he had to stay alive to kill Randall rather than just let himself be killed.

DG never says in the book that it was Jamie who killed Randall, but he hoped it was him and so do we. 

Confused though with the same question that Claire had when she found Jamie's grave in Dragonfly in Amber - how was he buried so far away??

Broch Morda wasn't far away from Lallybroch. 

2.  How did you feel when you found out that Murtagh was dead?
Very sad, & a bit surprised since he's tough as old boots. Kind of thought he'd be around forever.

I miss Murtagh. 

[tlshaw *Padded Cell 511*]

Welcome Darfan! Always happy to hear how others fell about Jamie and Claire.

A little confused.... did Jamie kill him? If so, Jamie took on the last fight that maybe stopped him giving up his life - he had to stay alive to kill Randall rather than just let himself be killed.
Confused though with the same question that Claire had when she found Jamie's grave in Dragonfly in Amber - how was he buried so far away??

Jamie did go back to Culloden, assuming he would die in the battle, but he was still a warrior, so he would go down fighting. However, he knew that the British had far superior forces and there was no way the Scots could survive. It would have gone totally against Jamie's personality to just walk into battle and let himself be killed with no action on his part. Also, Claire assumed that he would be buried on Culloden field in a mass grave with his clan.

[danfan]

Ok thanks.  When I was reading DIA, and Claire said - why was he buried there? - and with Randall being there, my mind conjured up a duel between them, far from Culloden after the battle perhaps. So when I read the scene of Randall dead & Jamie awakening on the battlefield, it threw me completely.

Oh my screen name Danfan - no, my name is Danielle and my surname begins with Fan LOL so danfan. Not very original afterall!