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by DJ Gross

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Kindle Edition published 2011-05-09
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Author Topic: Those of you thinking of getting a Ronnell cover...  (Read 6189 times)
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« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2011, 01:43:25 AM »

I'm sorry this happened, but really appreciate David and Maria bringing it to our attention. Knowledge is certainly power and the only way to create change. It's been said several times already, but upfront payment in full is never a good idea for the consumer if they aren't immediately walking away with the goods. And maybe this experience will change the way we approach freelance artwork in the future. If that happens, at least something good will come out of an unfortunate situation.

I have never needed to hire out for cover art (I work at an advertising agency and have been lucky enough to bribe the creatives with ego stroking, Starbucks and the occasional lunch), but find $50 to be an insane bargain for artwork. We charge $150 PER HOUR for straight production and that cost doubles during the concepting phase. I know there are many of us who simply can't afford higher prices and appreciate new artists who offer their introductory services so inexpensively, but IMO, like the $.99 novel, we shouldn't expect the price to stay that low forever. But the price isn't the issue here: integrity is.

I really hope Ronnell does the right thing and Maria gets her money back (giving it to charity? Ridiculous! It's not his to give). Only time will tell, but I'm sending out positive thoughts for a mutually beneficial solution. Thank you for bringing a difficult situation to our attention in a professional manner.
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« Reply #76 on: July 09, 2011, 01:49:06 AM »

I pointed out that it's one thing when you're dealing with a mature or experienced adult who has some sense of business.  But frankly, we don't ask people who know better to take a cut rate price.  We only take advantage of the newbies and desperate.  We justify it by saying they know what they're doing, but do they?  No.  Anybody pricing at $50 for more than one introductory cover, doesn't know what they're doing, businesswise.  I'm sorry, but that's not a sustainable price, unless they are doing something entirely automatic, like slapping some fonts on some stock art, or selling you work they already did and wrote off as a loss.

I don't remember me or anyone else asking him to charge cut rate prices for his work. Whenever someone asks an artist or writer to work for free or very little most of us come down on that person like a ton of bricks. No one took advantage of him or any other artist. Again, as a community a lot of us go out of our way to steer newbies away from danger like spending too much money or charging too little. That said, if someone runs a business and they set a price they can't sustain that is not their customers fault especially if their customers and the people around them say they should charge more. It might be cynical of me to say this but I imagine Ronnell would have responded differently if his books weren't doing well right now.


And for that matter, it's not the fault of the rest of us for unthinkingly taking advantage of a deal... except this is the warning.  This is the thing that should cause the rest of us to rethink our priorities.  Even if Maria didn't get at all what she paid for, as a group, we did.  We were paying rock bottom for high talent, which means we aren't paying for maturity, responsibility or business sense.

I think a lot of us have our priorities straight. In business, a certain level of maturity is assumed. When we enter into business with someone we are paying for goods and services. We expect the job to be done. It's not just about talent. You could be very talented but if you're unwilling / unable to communicate with a client or meet a deadline, most will take my business elsewhere unless they are willing to put up with that sort of thing.

Ask some people around what they have paid for their covers. You'll get numbers ranging from free and do-it-yourself covers to $500 or more. Obviously, people are willing to pay higher prices for covers with custom artwork and lettering. I don't think anyone expects to pay $50 for a cover with custom artwork and as far as I know there have been no attempts to ask artists to charge low prices for such cover.
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« Reply #77 on: July 09, 2011, 02:09:36 AM »

People are judged by how they conduct themselves. To build a business or offer a service, you have to be able to uphold your side of the deal. Treat others as you would like to be treated. That's all I have to say.
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« Reply #78 on: July 09, 2011, 02:12:40 AM »

David, you are a class act, as always.  First time I have ever seen you blow a gasket.  Some months ago I tried to engage Ronnell and like one of the posters above, he was sporadic at best about responding, enough so that I judged him unprofessional long before I considered sending any money.  Then, when I DID post a couple of sample covers, he beat the hell out of them with snarky comments.

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I suggest a possible solution.  I am happy to contribute $25 to Maria which will, 1) begin to pay back her deposit, and 2) relieve Ronnell of the debt.  If eight of us could join that process, the situation would be solved.

If someone would like to join this process, I'm happy to have someone like Scarlet, Phil Chen, or another regular whom we all trust to collect the money, or we could just do PayPal directly to Maria.

Any takers?

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« Reply #79 on: July 09, 2011, 02:18:43 AM »

And now we're the bail out program.

Having some of us contribute money to Maria doesn't solve the problem.

You can argue the point that it sends the wrong message.

Hey, I can rip someone off and the kind souls on the forums will foot the bill.

How does that solve anything? Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Maria probably doesn't want or need our charity. This is a matter of principle more than anything else since it is one of our own who has done wrong, not some nameless stranger from another forum or website.
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« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2011, 02:21:11 AM »

And now we're the bail out program.

Having some of us contribute money to Maria doesn't solve the problem.

You can argue the point that it sends the wrong message.

Hey, I can rip someone off and the kind souls on the forums will foot the bill.

How does that solve anything? Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Maria probably doesn't want or need our charity. This is a matter of principle more than anything else since it is one of our own who has done wrong, not some nameless stranger from another forum or website.


Have to agree. It doesn't help anyone in the long run. Not if other people are ripped off. Would they all be bailed out?
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