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Fishing’s Greatest Misadventures presents twenty-six true stories which cover the spectrum from terrifying to comical to downright bizarre. In these pages everyday fishermen, pros, and journalists tell their stories of freak accidents, fishy attacks, pranks, idiotic decisions, eerie or unexplained incidents, and other jaw dropping, adrenalin-pumping calamities. The stories bring to life the strange possibilities that await us once we cast our lines into known and unknown waters.

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« Reply #250 on: December 04, 2008, 05:46:33 PM »

I have a question or a suggestion and I don't know if it's already been mentioned...being that this thread is 17 pages long already ;-p

What are the plans for breaking down the reading? I know that the size of the book will determine the number of chapters to be read in a given week in order to fit within the 6-8 week time frame. What I'm wondering is for those who are not hard core book clubbers like myself and may only want to join in here and there as time permits, etc....will there be a new thread for said chapters? Of course there would be a spoiler warning and title...how about including the date along with said chapters as a title heading?

Just a suggestion if it wasn't already made :-)


I was just getting ready to respond myself.  It's a good question, but I'm not sure what the answer is.  I do address people getting behind in the guidelines, and ask that they catch up with the reading and then join in again; also that the thread will not ever really close so people can ask questions at the end pertaining to earlier parts of the book.  The whole Book Club thing may be a good reason to have a subforum in the Book Corner, which I think is possible.  If we try to have thread for each week and then several book clubs, that's a lot of topics sprinkled in amongst the other threads...  But it might not be too bad.  

Anyone else have thoughts?

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« Reply #251 on: December 04, 2008, 05:49:26 PM »

I think a sub-forum is the best and easiest solution.  Harvey (or possibly Leslie, depending on her Admin level) can set one up in a snap.
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« Reply #252 on: December 04, 2008, 06:09:28 PM »

^^ What he said.
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« Reply #253 on: December 04, 2008, 06:13:50 PM »

As long as you don't do it while wearing a kilt.  That would be sacrilegious.

Thanks.  I was going to read the sample as my relax-before-sleeping read, but now I guess I can't.  No relaxing with a cliffhanger.

//just catching up - finally!//

I see nothing wrong with wearing underwear on the head *and* a kilt (although not on the head, too - that would be a bit cumbersome and leave everything else a tad drafty), as long as everything is plaid! Cheesy

And you may as well read the sample, anyway: In Her Name has a number of built-in cliff-hangers, so you may as well get used to it now! LOL!

On "organizing" the book club...I would suggest that we set up a new sub-forum under The Book Corner dedicated to the Book Club (or just have a top-level forum for it). Then under that could be a sub-forum for each book selection, with a thread for each reading "segment" (whichever chapters are to be read) that would be stickied (and any other threads people start below that). That way folks who just want to pop in and out can find things more easily, and it'll also be packaged well for folks who want to check out the discussions later on, even after the session for a given book is completed, rather than having it buried somewhere in a set of old threads...  Smiley

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« Reply #254 on: December 04, 2008, 06:15:31 PM »

People who wander around with underwear on their head are known to be fearless. 

Fearless! Yeah, that's me! Where's that rubber chicken...
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On "organizing" the book club...I would suggest that we set up a new sub-forum under The Book Corner dedicated to the Book Club (or just have a top-level forum for it). Then under that could be a sub-forum for each book selection, with a thread for each reading "segment" (whichever chapters are to be read) that would be stickied (and any other threads people start below that). That way folks who just want to pop in and out can find things more easily, and it'll also be packaged well for folks who want to check out the discussions later on, even after the session for a given book is completed, rather than having it buried somewhere in a set of old threads...  Smiley

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« Reply #256 on: December 04, 2008, 09:50:27 PM »

I'm anxiously awaiting our book clubs to start. I have Outlander on my first page and keep bumping her back up. I also have a sample of Dead until Dark thats wating and getting bumped. And  today I downloaded a sample of In Her Name

I'm very tempted to start Outlander, or at least listen to it, but then  I'll get caught up and have the whole thing ready before we even get started.
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« Reply #257 on: December 05, 2008, 05:56:51 AM »

Lots of free and Bargain books in the Bargain books thread!  Grab one and start reading while you wait!

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« Reply #258 on: December 10, 2008, 05:36:35 AM »

a word to the wise, perhaps, as our Book Clubs get going?

from the New York Times:

December 7, 2008
Fought Over Any Good Books Lately?
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JOCELYN BOWIE was thrilled by the invitation to join a book group. She had just returned to her hometown, Bloomington, Ind., to take an administration job at Indiana University, and thought she had won a ticket to a top echelon. “I was hoping to network with all these women in upper-level jobs at I.U., then I found they were in the book group,” she said. “I thought, ‘Great! They’ll see how wonderful I am, and we’ll have these great conversations about books.’ ”

Ms. Bowie cannot pinpoint the precise moment when disillusion replaced delight. Maybe it was the evening she tried to persuade everyone to look beyond Oprah Winfrey’s picks, “and they all said ‘What’s wrong with Oprah?’ ” she said.

Or perhaps it was the meeting when she lobbied for literary classics like “Emma” and the rest of the group was abuzz about “The Secret Life of Bees,” a pop-lit best seller.

The last straw came when the group picked “The Da Vinci Code” and someone suggested the discussion would be enriched by delving into the author’s source material. “It was bad enough that they wanted to read ‘Da Vinci Code’ in the first place,” Ms. Bowie said, “but then they wanted to talk about it.” She quit shortly after, making up a polite excuse: “I told the organizer, ‘You’re reading fiction, and I’m reading history right now.’ ”

Yes, it’s a nice, high-minded idea to join a book group, a way to make friends and read books that might otherwise sit untouched. But what happens when you wind up hating all the literary selections — or the other members? Breaking up isn’t so hard to do when it means freedom from inane critical commentary, political maneuvering, hurt feelings, bad chick lit and even worse chardonnay.

“Who knew a book group could be such a soap opera?” said Barb Burg, senior vice president at Bantam Dell, which publishes many titles adopted by book groups. “You’d think it would just be about the book. But wherever I go, people want to talk to me about the infighting and the politics.”

One member may push for John Updike, while everyone else is set on John Grisham. One person wants to have a glass of wine and talk about the book, while everyone else wants to get drunk and talk about their spouses. “There are all these power struggles about what book gets chosen,” Ms. Burg said. Then come the complaints: “It’s too long, it’s too short, it’s not literary enough, it’s too literary ... ”

The literary societies of the 19th century seemed content to leave the drama to authors and poets, whom they discussed with great seriousness of purpose. Some book groups evolved from sewing circles, which “gave women a chance to exercise their intellect and have a social gathering,” said Rachel W. Jacobsohn, author of “The Reading Group Handbook,” which gives a history of the format plus dos and don’ts for modern hosts.

Today there are perhaps four million to five million book groups in the United States, and the number is thought to be rising, said Ann Kent, the founder of Book Group Expo, an annual gathering of readers and authors.

“I firmly believe there was an uptick in the number of book groups after 9/11, and I’m expecting another increase in these difficult economic times,” she said. “We’re looking to stay connected and to have a form of entertainment that’s affordable, and book groups are an easy avenue for that.”

Most groups are all-female, but there are plenty of all-male and coed ones. Lately there have emerged plenty of online-only book groups too, though — given the difficulty of flinging a drink in the face of a member who suggests reading Trollope — those are clearly a different animal.

And more clubs means more acrimony. Sometimes there is a rambler in the group, whose opinion far outlasts the natural interest of others, or a pedant, who never met a literary reference she did not yearn to sling. The most common cause of dissatisfaction and departures?

“It’s because there’s an ayatollah,” said Esther Bushell, a professional book-group facilitator who leads a dozen suburban New York groups and charges $250 to $300 a member annually for her services. “This person expects to choose all the books and to take over all the discussions. And when I come on board, the ayatollah is threatened and doesn’t say anything.” Like other facilitators, she is hired for the express purpose of bringing long-winded types in line.

For Doreen Orion, a psychiatrist in Boulder, Colo., the spoiler in her book group was a drama queen who turned every meeting into her own personal therapy session. Dr. Orion was used to such people in her practice, but in her personal life — well, no thanks. “There were always things going on in her life with relationships, and she’d want to talk about it,” she said. “There’d be some weird thing in a book and she’d relate it to her life no matter what. Everything came back to her. It was really exhausting after a while.”

What attracted Susan Farewell to a book group called the IlluminaTea were guidelines that precluded such off-putting antics. No therapy talk, no chitchat and no skipping meetings. “It was very high-minded,” said Ms. Farewell, a travel writer in Westport, Conn. Members took turns selecting books, “and you felt that your choice was a measure of how intelligent and sophisticated and worldly you were,” she said.

The high standards extended to the refreshment table. “When it was your month to host a meeting, you would do your interpretation of a tea, and the teas got very competitive,” Ms. Farewell said. Homemade scones and Devonshire cream were par for the course, and Ms. Farewell recalls spending the day before her hostess stint making watercress and smoked salmon sandwiches.

This started to feel oppressive. “If the standards had been more relaxed, I would have stayed in the group,” she said. “But I just felt I couldn’t keep getting clotted cream. I couldn’t work and carry on the formality and get through the novel every month, so I just said I couldn’t make the meetings anymore.”

Some who leave one group find happiness in another. Dr. Orion and another woman broke from their original group and contacted another woman who had also left. “Then we secretly reconstituted as another group,” Dr. Orion said. “We’ve been going strong for 10 years, but our experience has made us cautious about inviting new members. We’ve become very selective.”

Nancy Atkins Peck, an artist and historian in Glen Rock, N.J., has also made a successful transition. Until the election cycle of 2004, she had loved her book group — the members read “A Tree Grows in Brooklyn,” novels by Virginia Woolf “and sometimes a paperback of no importance,” she said.

Then, after a presidential debate, an argument about the candidates ensued, “so it was decided that we couldn’t read any political books or have any political discussions anymore,” recalled Ms. Peck, who had just suggested the group read a book about the Bush White House.

“It was nixed, and I just felt that was unnatural,” given that the group had successfully discussed other sensitive issues, she said. She and her husband then joined a coed group, which has worked out well. “And we read a heck of a lot of political books,” she said triumphantly.

Sometimes the problem is a life-stage mismatch among group members. “I know of a group where all but one member has young children,” said Susanne Pari, author of the novel “The Fortune Catcher” and the program director at Book Group Expo. “They talk for 15 minutes about the book and then launch into a discussion of poopy diapers and nap times and preschool.”

Then the one member who had nothing to bring to the soiled Pampers conversation announced she did not have time for the group. For etiquette reasons, “it’s very uncommon” for people to give the real reason for their disenchantment, Ms. Pari said.

Ms. Bushell, the book-group facilitator, tells of one woman who left a group “because she didn’t envision herself sitting around talking about a book — she thought some business networking would take place.”

Another woman decamped because she wanted to read more chick lit. “I hate to sound ponderous,” Ms. Bushell said, “but I have a certain moral obligation. I don’t feel I can be paid for leading a discussion about ‘The Devil Wears Prada.’”

At Book Passage, a store with two branches in the San Francisco area, Kate Larson is something of a Miss Lonely Hearts for newcomers and disgruntled book group members. “I collect names, and when I get 12 or 14 I ask them to come to a meeting at the store,” she said. “If it looks like they all agree about what kinds of things they want to read, they’ve got a book club.”

Ms. Larson uses a newsletter to help people find special-interest groups — say, in science fiction or spirituality. Groups made up of total strangers seem to last longer, she said, “because the focus is truly on the book.”

As for Ms. Bowie of Indiana University, she was asked to join another group but has chosen to stay unaffiliated. “My experience was a real disappointment,” she said. “Now when I look at a novel in a store and it has book group questions in the back, it almost puts me off from buying it.”

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« Reply #259 on: December 10, 2008, 05:47:53 AM »

LOL!  Very good.  I may have to add this rule to the Official Book Klub Guidelines:

"No therapy talk, no chitchat."

And Gertie--who's going to provide the tea?  I like the idea of high tea at each of the meetings...

"Lately there have emerged plenty of online-only book groups too, though — given the difficulty of flinging a drink in the face of a member who suggests reading Trollope — those are clearly a different animal."

We do have a rule, "No killing the leader with a stick." (the Robin Rule)  Drinks may be flung, however.

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« Reply #260 on: December 10, 2008, 06:12:40 AM »

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We do have a rule, "No killing the leader with a stick." (the Robin Rule)  Drinks may be flung, however.

Hey, y'all can fling all the drinks at me that you want! I guess if I drink enough, then you can beat on me with a stick, too - I wouldn't feel it at that point. Cheesy

But that business about the book groups is kinda sad - people lose sight of what's important. And that would be "fun"!

Okay, off to Epcot!

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« Reply #261 on: December 10, 2008, 06:15:52 AM »

There was one other rule mentioned in Leslie's article--no talking about spouses.  But we don't want to hamper Jan & Mike's discourse in the Book Club.   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #262 on: December 10, 2008, 06:21:21 AM »

Article was quite entertaining.  Thanks for sharing.  Beauty of this group is two-fold.
The attraction of the individuals involved... ie: occasionally scruffy.
And the ability to simply walk away, rather than argue, throw things or hit Robin with a stick.
I don't know Robin... but, the more often I read that the more attractive that idea becomes.
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« Reply #263 on: December 10, 2008, 06:25:32 AM »

And the ability to simply walk away, rather than argue, throw things or hit Robin with a stick.
I don't know Robin... but, the more often I read that the more attractive that idea becomes.

You always want what you can't have... 

But to clarify, the rule is that you can't kill ANY of the book klub leaders with a stick, not just Robin.
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« Reply #264 on: December 10, 2008, 06:58:46 AM »

But to clarify, the rule is that you can't kill ANY of the book klub leaders with a stick, not just Robin.
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So we can hit them with a stick, just not KILL them?  Roll Eyes

J/K!!  Really, I wouldn't even think of hitting someone with a stick or even flinging my precious drink in their face.  OTOH, we have the option of participating or not in a particular book, I suppose that a more formal group is stuck with whatever the majority wants to read.  I've never participated in a group like this, mostly through lack of kindred spirits, but I'm looking forward to at least reading along and watching everyone's discussion.  I might post if I feel I have something to contribute, but I'm still a basically shy person.  Although this group has been great about bringing me out of my shell!

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« Reply #265 on: December 10, 2008, 07:59:07 AM »

Hitting with a stick is permitted.  You've found the loophole.  We even have a Book Club somewhere here, courtesy of BJ.

But I think you're right about the clubs here, since the membership is self-selecting based on the book.

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« Reply #266 on: December 10, 2008, 08:09:46 AM »

But I think you're right about the clubs here, since the membership is self-selecting based on the book.

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I agree. . . .if you don't want to be part of a club, just wait for the next one to come along.  And a ton of books have been suggested of all genre's and time periods so at some point SOMETHING is going to come up that interests you.  And if not, that's o.k. too. . . . .

And I think the mods will be able to curtail the off topic straying. . . . .

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« Reply #267 on: December 10, 2008, 09:09:24 AM »

And Gertie--who's going to provide the tea?  I like the idea of high tea at each of the meetings...

You got it!  I'll include a Splenda recipe for cookies and other desserts each week. 

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We do have a rule, "No killing the leader with a stick." (the Robin Rule)  Drinks may be flung, however.

When flinging drinks, I have a preference for pinot grigio. 

But I think you're right about the clubs here, since the membership is self-selecting based on the book. 

You're right about that.  And if someone gets to a point in a book they don't want to continue for whatever reason, no excuses needed. 

I think we have the best of all worlds here.
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« Reply #268 on: December 10, 2008, 12:02:21 PM »

There was one other rule mentioned in Leslie's article--no talking about spouses.  But we don't want to hamper Jan & Mike's discourse in the Book Club.

That's the one downside to this: Jan *can* beat me with a stick! D'oh!  Cheesy
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There was one other rule mentioned in Leslie's article--no talking about spouses.  But we don't want to hamper Jan & Mike's discourse in the Book Club.   Roll Eyes

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Once the club starts, I promise to keep my side of the banter to a minimum and keep on topic. After all, as Mike said, I *can* beat him with a stick! Woo-hooo! Life is good! Cheesy
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« Reply #270 on: December 10, 2008, 01:44:02 PM »

Hitting with a stick is permitted.  You've found the loophole.  We even have a Book Club somewhere here, courtesy of BJ.

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« Reply #271 on: December 10, 2008, 01:59:43 PM »

So, is that a cudgel cobbled together from a photo of a stack of book spines? Ow!  Cheesy
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« Reply #272 on: December 10, 2008, 02:05:02 PM »

So, is that a cudgel cobbled together from a photo of a stack of book spines? Ow!  Cheesy
It doesn't really hurt much.  The pages all flutter around when I swing it and cause so much air resistance that I can't really do any damage.

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« Reply #273 on: December 10, 2008, 08:24:57 PM »

Okay, I'm totally flexible in terms of scheduling and so on, but I was thinking of something along these lines for the In Her Name Club (Klub?), so lemme know what y'all think:

1 February: First chapter set given out and any preliminary discussion/caveats (as the book has a few "gritty" bits). Then discuss each chapter set and give out the next on 8, 15, and 22 February, with the final chapter set given on 1 March and the main wrapup discussion on 8 March.

I'm not sure how many "pages" people are used to reading in these sorts of things, but the way I'm breaking things down is very roughly 140 pages (measured in 6x9 format in DT books) per week, falling on the nearest chapter break. Unfortunately, I can't go by chapter numbers (e.g., five chapters per week, or whatever), because the way things worked out, the chapters actually get a bit shorter as you move toward the end. And I didn't want to stretch it out past that unless folks want to do that.

Anyway, I'm open to suggestions! Smiley

Oh, one last thing: I'll be uploading a new version of the book in the next couple weeks with a few minor revisions, so anybody who's already bought it can just re-download it. Will let ya know when that happens...

Rah!
Mike
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« Reply #274 on: December 11, 2008, 07:12:57 AM »

Sounds good, Mike.  I haven't downloaded it yet; just the sample.  It's on my list for after Christmas and gift cards galore. 

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