Yet another good reason to keep your wireless off...

[raccemup]

I have a spare K1 right now that is unregistered.  I put my SD card in it with my free books from Feedbooks and Amazon converted PDFs.  They worked fine.  I also did turn the wi-fi on and they were still fine on teh 2nd K1.  I have a new SD card, I put a bunch of books from Feedbooks on as I may give it as a gift.  I am under the impression that they will still work, even after registration and with or without ever turning on the wi-fi. So far, that has been true except for the registration part.  How/why can Amazon remove books from another source on an SD card?  Books purchased elsewhere have nothing to do with them and their licenses.

[geoffthomas]

I have a spare K1 right now that is unregistered.  I put my SD card in it with my free books from Feedbooks and Amazon converted PDFs.  They worked fine.  I also did turn the wi-fi on and they were still fine on teh 2nd K1.  I have a new SD card, I put a bunch of books from Feedbooks on as I may give it as a gift.  I am under the impression that they will still work, even after registration and with or without ever turning on the wi-fi. So far, that has been true except for the registration part.  How/why can Amazon remove books from another source on an SD card?  Books purchased elsewhere have nothing to do with them and their licenses.

I am pretty sure that the prior comments were regarding DRM ebooks downloaded from Amazon.  Clearly a non secure-format ebook that you have obtained and moved to your Kindle, Amazon has no right to interfere with.

[LauraB]

If you are refering to my post above, I don't buy books from anywhere but Amazon. I did have some on the SD card from feedbooks free download guide. Amazon didn't remove them, as I said, they showed up on the menu page, I just couldn't open them because I got an error message.

[raccemup]

Do you know or have an idea why the error message?  That is strange... I just want to be sure I'm not giving someone a gift (K1 with an SD card loaded with classics from feedbooks) and she can't open the books.    Like I said, up until it's working fine but I am concerned that the error you experienced will happen once she registers the Kindle.  I'm confused as to why that would happen.  Thanks!

[crebel]

Red, I don't know why you couldn't open your feedbooks items from the SD card only the newly registered Kindle unless they were DRM protected even if you didn't think they were or the SD card was somehow corrupted.  I don't have enough technical expertise to come up with an explanation.

raccemup, I can only tell you the situation you describe works for me.  I have a friend in Virginia with a K1 on a totally separate account.  When I visited her last year, she took her SD card out of her K1 and I put it in my K1.  Amazon books got the error message, the other books I was able to open and read.  Gifting someone with a K1 and already loaded SD card sounds like a wonderful, generous thing to do.

[LauraB]

I don't know why either.  The books were from the kindle download guide that you can put on your kindle and then I downloaded, from the kindle and saved to the SD card on the k1.  I was able to open them and read several. Then moved them back to SD card.  When I had to return the kindle 1 I took out the card, deregistered the kindle, sent it back. When I put it in the new kindle, with WN off, it would read the titles, but I got an error message that it was unable to open (any) of the books.  So I deleted them, redownloaded, saved them to sd card and they opened and I read them.  When I had to return the 2nd kindle 2, went through the same thing.  The 3rd kindle did the exact same error message.  I don't think it was a corrupt sd card because I could delete the books, redownload them, save them to the sd, then open and read them.  It just wouldn't do it if I moved it from one kindle to the next.  It happened with at least 10 off the books from the feedbooks.com download guide.  And I don't think that any of those books are DRM'd, but I don't know for certain. Amazon didn't remove any of the books, the "new" kindles just wouldn't open them.  Sorry if I'm still clear as mud, but I don't know how to explain it better than that.  I gave the last kindle 1 to a friend, with the sd card in it. And all of the books I downloaded on it, (then I deregistered the kindle, then she registered it to her account), still work for her. So I thought it had to do with moving the actual card from kindle to kindle, not account to account.  But I don't have a real answer.

[auntmarge]

I think their stance is that it was an "experimental" part of the Kindle.  Like NowNow  was on K1. 
As far as amazon removing things, either from the Kindle or the SD card, it has only happened to me with WN on. I think if I had the USB to computer and had the media library on amazon on the computer, active, they would be able to get to the kindle over computer. But I've not tried that.

I'm referring to the book which was bought, not the whole TTS availability on Kindle (related, for sure, but possibly a different issue).  If a book is bought WITH TTS active and the TTS is then removed, Amazon and the publisher have changed the product for which they accepted payment.  Sort of like Borders coming around to remove something from a book you picked up a few months ago.  The publisher allowed the purchase when it was made, and neither they nor Amazon should be attempting to change that contract for which you paid.  Not only attempting to, but doing it without warning.  At the least there should be a warning and then an offer of refund.

[auntmarge]

i'm new to rereaders and infact do not have one yet but i have to say this "big brother" stuff i'm reading here really bothers me. am i alone?

Betty, it bothers a lot of us, but don't be put off getting a Kindle by it.  Kindle is still a tremendous product which pretty much every member of KindleBoards would be loathe to do without.

[Susan in VA]

Um....no. Not unless they come to your house and pry it from your fingers.

You just beat me to that post, Trekker.   I think the idea that Amazon can magically access your Kindle when your WN is off needs to be put to rest...   

...unless someone who's into conspiracy theories really believes that there is a whole secondary wireless connection that is always on and that somehow has never been documented....

...  apart from that somewhat melodramatic option, it's simply not technically possible.   Off means off.