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« on: January 17, 2012, 02:52:25 PM »

Does anyone know if you can set the Kindle to show page numbers?  Somewhere I read or heard that Kindle now has the capability to do this, but I'm not sure if it is for the brand new Kindles or not.  I've only had my Kindle for a little over a year now (since Sept. 2010).
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 03:04:44 PM »

If you got your Kindle in Sep 2010, then it has the capability to show page numbers.

But only if page number have been enabled for the particular book you bought. Not all books have them. There isn't any setting on your Kindle for this. Press the Menu key while reading and if the book has page numbers they will display beside the Location numbers.

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 03:16:18 PM »

Thank you, Mike!  It works!  The page numbers are only displayed for a few seconds, but they do show up.  Thank you!
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 09:47:26 AM »

Oh, Mike, that's too easy! I wondered about page #s for Goodreads "progress updates" and usually ended up doing a percentage calculation of page #s from a print edition. Laborious, but good for the brain. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 06:02:39 PM »

Oh, Mike, that's too easy! I wondered about page #s for Goodreads "progress updates" and usually ended up doing a percentage calculation of page #s from a print edition. Laborious, but good for the brain. Wink

You can do this a lot easier Wink
On the front page of Goodreads, with the books you are reading listed on the left side you can fill in page numbers. But if you click on the word page before the square where you fill in the number it changes it to a % sign and you can easily fill in your % since kindle always shows that on screen when you are reading.

(unless ofcourse you want to boast about actual page numbers... ignore my comment then Wink )
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 11:37:42 PM »

I wish there was a setting to have the page numbers displayed permanently, instead of the % number.  But alas, Amazon isn't listening to our cries!  Some of us have been asking for this from the very beginning.  At least they've started giving us glimpses of page numbers.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 12:57:56 AM »

I just use the location numbers now, got used to it on my K1.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 07:55:09 AM »

I wish there was a setting to have the page numbers displayed permanently, instead of the % number.  But alas, Amazon isn't listening to our cries!  Some of us have been asking for this from the very beginning.  At least they've started giving us glimpses of page numbers.

the problem is that not all books have page numbers... it will be highly inaccurate in contrast to the % or the location.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 02:54:58 PM »

the problem is that not all books have page numbers... it will be highly inaccurate in contrast to the % or the location.

The problem with % number is that it's rather meaningless.  1% of a 100 page book and 1% of 1000 page book are two very different things and that % number will change at a different rate based on the final length of the book.  It's a deeply flawed system.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 03:06:50 PM »

The problem with % number is that it's rather meaningless.  1% of a 100 page book and 1% of 1000 page book are two very different things and that % number will change at a different rate based on the final length of the book.  It's a deeply flawed system.

If you need a page number for citing or a book club or something, then % is fairly meaningless.  If you just want to know how far along you are in a book, halfway through is halfway through no matter how many pages are in a book.  In fact after a couple of years of Kindling I found I didn't miss page numbers at all - and when I got them with a Sony reader, I found myself back to doing the math in my head (okay, 350 pages, I'm on 200, I'm....uh...a little over halfway through).  These days I prefer the percentage - I'm not citing, I don't do book clubs - I just want to know that %. 

And as someone mentioned, to find a particular point in a book, the location # is the most accurate. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 05:50:04 PM »

Agree with Meemo.  It's like when I read paper books.  The bookmark would be in it and I could tell by the relative thickness on either side of the mark how far along I was.  I always thought in terms of fractions or percentages. . . .

It's true that it's not as obvious how long the book is by glancing at it, but I pretty quickly can get a feel for that by how many 'page clicks' it takes to move 1%. Or go back to the home page and see how many dots it has. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 08:41:50 PM »

I wish there was a setting to have the page numbers displayed permanently, instead of the % number. 

I would like to a setting to see page numbers constantly displayed as well.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 11:17:53 AM »

Agree with Meemo.  It's like when I read paper books.  The bookmark would be in it and I could tell by the relative thickness on either side of the mark how far along I was.  I always thought in terms of fractions or percentages. . . .

It's true that it's not as obvious how long the book is by glancing at it, but I pretty quickly can get a feel for that by how many 'page clicks' it takes to move 1%. Or go back to the home page and see how many dots it has. Smiley

Look at the progress bar at the bottom and think of it as a visualization of the head of the book, and your bookmark at the place where the highlighted bar stops. That gives you a real quick indication of how far along you are, without having to read any of the numbers.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 04:36:21 PM »

The reason I like page numbers is they are an easy way to know where you are in a book.

Sometimes I forget to bookmark before I go back in a book to reread a section and the back button doesn't always bring me back to where I left.  Once my Kindle Touch slipped out of my hands and went to a different place in the book and the back button didn't bring me back to where I was.  Knowing what page number you are on or near makes it easy to get back where you were.

I have multiple Kindles and page numbers make it easy for me to find my place in a different Kindle.  I only turn on wireless to download books (and when I am charging the battery) so I manually find my place in books and with pages numbers it is easy.

Page numbers are just one more piece of information and it is nice to have them incase you want to use it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 08:32:12 PM »

Someday they'll program to look at the file size and the font size and compute the page number, which would change depending on the font size which is why page numbers are pretty much useless in eBooks to start with.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 08:28:39 AM »

You can do this a lot easier Wink
On the front page of Goodreads, with the books you are reading listed on the left side you can fill in page numbers. But if you click on the word page before the square where you fill in the number it changes it to a % sign and you can easily fill in your % since kindle always shows that on screen when you are reading.

I have been wondering how to do this for yonks! I did it by accident one day and couldn't figure out how to get it again. Thank you!
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 09:12:55 AM »

I never really paid any attention to page numbers even before getting my Kindle; I would always look and see how thick the pages were on either side of my location and keep track of what chapter I was on.

I have accidentally hit buttons on my Kindle that sent me to a new spot in the book but since I keep track of my percentage I can usually get back to the correct location pretty easily.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2012, 10:51:09 AM »

I prefer page numbers too and wish they were all on books. That said, I've become used to not having them at this point.

A questions on locations - shouldn't locations be exact and match up between books on different devices? I have a book on my kindle keyboard and my kindle touch and the locations don't match up. I was under the impression locations were very precise, but in this case they're not.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 10:57:31 AM »

Look at the progress bar at the bottom and think of it as a visualization of the head of the book, and your bookmark at the place where the highlighted bar stops. That gives you a real quick indication of how far along you are, without having to read any of the numbers.

Except on the Kindle Touch which has no progress bar.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 12:24:10 PM »

Except on the Kindle Touch which has no progress bar.

No landscape mode, either. Both issues will probably be fixed in a future update---not the 5.0.3 release that came out yesterday.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 12:57:36 PM »

I prefer page numbers too and wish they were all on books. That said, I've become used to not having them at this point.

A questions on locations - shouldn't locations be exact and match up between books on different devices? I have a book on my kindle keyboard and my kindle touch and the locations don't match up. I was under the impression locations were very precise, but in this case they're not.

If it's the same book file from Amazon there's only one set of locations.  If you go to a specific location, that will take you to a specific place in the book.  It will be the same wheter whether it's on a K4, K3, DX, Touch, Fire, or one of the apps.  This is the whole reason why the syncing works. Undecided

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 10:10:59 PM »

If it's the same book file from Amazon there's only one set of locations.  If you go to a specific location, that will take you to a specific place in the book.  It will be the same wheter whether it's on a K4, K3, DX, Touch, Fire, or one of the apps.  This is the whole reason why the syncing works. Undecided



It is the same book from Amazon, yes, which is why I'm baffled why the locations don't always match and are slightly off between devices. It's the same book I had other weird issues with that I made another thread about in the past. I'm not sure what to make of it other than it having formatting issues.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 07:11:45 AM »

I just compared my K4  and my KT...  the first set of locations I did went to the same virtual "page" but the start of the page was not the same location, though the location was on the page.  I played with the fonts (I had the Kindles set to two different font sizes).  I also went in and out of the book on the KT by accident and it worked after that....even when the fonts were different. *shrug*

Back in my K1 days when we were exploring locations, as I recall, the location I tried to go to was occasionally in the middle of the page, not at the very start.

sparklemotion--is the location on the virtual page you go to, or is the Kindle not even close?

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2012, 09:01:27 AM »

I just compared my K4  and my KT...  the first set of locations I did went to the same virtual "page" but the start of the page was not the same location, though the location was on the page.  I played with the fonts (I had the Kindles set to two different font sizes).  I also went in and out of the book on the KT by accident and it worked after that....even when the fonts were different. *shrug*

Back in my K1 days when we were exploring locations, as I recall, the location I tried to go to was occasionally in the middle of the page, not at the very start.

sparklemotion--is the location on the virtual page you go to, or is the Kindle not even close?

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In this particular book, it was not even the same page. I noticed this because it was the start of a chapter and I stopped reading but happened to note the location number. This was on my kindle keyboard. I then picked up my touch later and noticed the same chapter beginning had a different location number. However, when I did a location search by using "Go To Location" it then suddenly matched up, although the start of the pages were different, the location was found on both of them.

I tested it a few times with different books and in every other case it was the same virtual page, although the start of the page is not necessarily the same, but the location will appear on it. This book was an anomaly in that it didn't match up to the same page/location until I manually did a location search.

On a side note, someone on the Amazon discussions said that font size and spacing didn't matter for locations, that they would remain the same, which does appear to be true.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2012, 09:56:14 AM »

Sounds like that is an issue with that particular book, not locations themselves.
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